Resurrexi Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Three words: Hermeneutic of continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 [quote name='Skinzo' date='11 February 2010 - 10:57 PM' timestamp='1265947042' post='2055651'] Vatican II stated its priorities for ecumenical dialogue. The popes have spoken repeatedly on the subject in encyclicals, letters, etc. since Vatican II. They speak for themselves. Consult those. S. [/quote] The Church's number one priority isn't that of the salvation of souls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Three words in connection with Cardinal Kasper's essay on ecumenism: Appointed by Benedict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Apotheoun' date='11 February 2010 - 11:33 PM' timestamp='1265949221' post='2055667'] Three words in connection with Cardinal Kasper's essay on ecumenism: Appointed by Benedict. [/quote] His Eminence, Cardinal Mahony, was appointed by the Holy Father, as well, and you are never lacking in criticism of him. Edited February 12, 2010 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='11 February 2010 - 11:08 PM' timestamp='1265947713' post='2055655'] Three words: Hermeneutic of continuity. [/quote] Werd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzo Posted February 12, 2010 Author Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) [quote name='HisChildForever' date='12 February 2010 - 12:32 AM' timestamp='1265949156' post='2055665'] The Church's number one priority isn't that of the salvation of souls? [/quote] From ZENIT: "Pope Benedict said in his first speech that Christian unity was his priority: Benedict XVI confirmed that the ecumenical movement toward full Christian unity is a priority of his ministry as Pope. "The Second Vatican Council considered as one of its main objectives the re-establishment of full Christian unity," the Holy Father said today. "This is also my objective." His words were heard by participants in the plenary assembly of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, headed by Cardinal Walter Kasper. Benedict XVI mentioned the first message he wrote as Pope, dated April 20, 2005, in which he assumed "as a primary commitment, to work without sparing energies for the reconstitution of the full and visible unity of all the followers of Christ." The Pope added on that occasion that he "lets himself be challenged in the first person by this request and is prepared to do all that is in his power to promote the fundamental cause of ecumenism." In his address today, Benedict XVI acknowledged that important steps have been taken since Vatican II, "where the observer delegates of the other Churches and ecclesial communities were attentive, but in silence." Silence transformed "This image has made room in subsequent decades to the reality of a Church in dialogue with all Churches and ecclesial communities of East and West," the Holy Father continued. "The silence has been transformed into a word of communion," he said. "Enormous work has been done at the universal and local level. Fraternity has been rediscovered among all Christians and has been established as the condition of dialogue, cooperation and common prayer of solidarity." The Pope was moved in particular by "the experience of communion lived with representatives of the other Churches and ecclesial communities who came from all the continents to participate in the funeral of the unforgettable John Paul II and also in the inauguration of my pontificate. To share sorrow and joy is a visible sign of the new situation that has been created among Christians." http://www.zenit.org/article-18204?l=english What is wrong with reading the Church's teachings on ecumenism? Is the Church in error? S. Edited February 12, 2010 by Skinzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzo Posted February 12, 2010 Author Share Posted February 12, 2010 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='12 February 2010 - 12:08 AM' timestamp='1265947713' post='2055655'] Three words: Hermeneutic of continuity. [/quote] But you declare "actions speak louder than words". However, "the word is God" and the teachings of the Church are all found in words. You would argue then that we should ignore the teachings of the Church and simply pay attention its actions? S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Skinzo' date='12 February 2010 - 12:31 AM' timestamp='1265952703' post='2055698'] What is wrong with reading the Church's teachings on ecumenism? Is the Church in error? S. [/quote] The teachings of the Second Ecumenical Vatican Council are completely correct as interpreted in light of the teachings of previous popes and ecumenical councils. Edited February 12, 2010 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 [quote name='Skinzo' date='12 February 2010 - 12:31 AM' timestamp='1265952703' post='2055698'] Pope Benedict said in his first speech that Christian unity was his priority: [/quote] The final canon in the Code of Canon Law states that the salvation of souls is the supreme law of the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzo Posted February 12, 2010 Author Share Posted February 12, 2010 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='12 February 2010 - 01:43 AM' timestamp='1265953411' post='2055704'] The teachings of the Second Ecumenical Vatican Council are completely correct as interpreted in light of the teachings of previous popes and ecumenical councils. [/quote] Then you would say that the whole of Vatican II is consistent with "previous popes and ecumenical councils"? S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzo Posted February 12, 2010 Author Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Resurrexi' date='12 February 2010 - 01:48 AM' timestamp='1265953717' post='2055705'] The final canon in the Code of Canon Law states that the salvation of souls is the supreme law of the Church. [/quote] So the Pope is in error? The salvation of souls may depend on the recovery of Christian unity as the Decree on ecumenism points out. S. Edited February 12, 2010 by Skinzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 [quote name='Skinzo' date='12 February 2010 - 12:49 AM' timestamp='1265953792' post='2055706'] Then you would say that the whole of Vatican II is consistent with "previous popes and ecumenical councils"? S. [/quote] The Second Ecumenical Vatican Council is certainly consistent with the teachings of previous popes and ecumenical councils when it is interpreted in light of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzo Posted February 12, 2010 Author Share Posted February 12, 2010 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='12 February 2010 - 01:57 AM' timestamp='1265954229' post='2055708'] The Second Ecumenical Vatican Council is certainly consistent with the teachings of previous popes and ecumenical councils when it is interpreted in light of them. [/quote] Will the faithful fall into error if they read only Vatican II? S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 [quote name='Skinzo' date='12 February 2010 - 12:05 AM' timestamp='1265954732' post='2055713'] Will the faithful fall into error if they read only Vatican II? S. [/quote] I think the faithful would fall into error if they limited themselves to any one particular document, no matter how good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 [quote name='Skinzo' date='12 February 2010 - 01:05 AM' timestamp='1265954732' post='2055713'] Will the faithful fall into error if they read only Vatican II? S. [/quote] Yes. But the same would be so with any one Council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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