Bible Alone

[Livin_the_MASS]

I would like a Protestant to show me in the Bible where it says to use only the Bible.

Or show me where there is no authority in the Church and not to stand and hold to Traditions.



God Bless
Jason

Edited April 11, 2004 by Jason

[Bruce S]

You win.

There, see how easy that one was?

We are all going to convert IMMEDIATELY.

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='Bruce S' date='Apr 10 2004, 07:19 PM'] You win.

There, see how easy that one was?

We are all going to convert IMMEDIATELY. [/quote]
Amen good brother your in my prayers!!!

[Bruce S]

And the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against...

Xerox, Inc.

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='Bruce S' date='Apr 10 2004, 07:19 PM'] You win.

There, see how easy that one was?

We are all going to convert IMMEDIATELY. [/quote]
Whats the matter can't find what I asked for?

[Bruce S]

Nope and I couldn't find INDEX to Maps in scripture either.

So OUT with the maps I guess ...

Nor could I find, PRICE $25.00 either, so I guess my next on is FREE right?

Deep Jason, Deeeeep....

[Justified Saint]

I am not a Protestant Jason but I'd like to show you where the Bible says to use only the Bible...

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='Justified Saint' date='Apr 11 2004, 10:43 AM'] I am not a Protestant Jason but I'd like to show you where the Bible says to use only the Bible... [/quote]
interesting, go ahead!

[Livin_the_MASS]

If you reply JS,
I'll look at it later, The Holy Mass calls I must recieve Our God in the Holy Eucharist and pray.

I will be happy to have a heart to heart discussion. I am Roman Catholic but my mission is to show charity, love and mercy to all that I meet.

Look foward to the discussion. I will pray for you and you pray for me.

He is Risen
God Bless
Jason

"O Sacrament Most Holy, O Sacrament Divine, all praise and all thanksgiving be every moment Thine." Amen

Peace of Christ be with you all on this Holy Day!!

Edited April 11, 2004 by Jason

[Justified Saint]

[quote]interesting, go ahead! [/quote]

I just did.

Edited April 11, 2004 by Justified Saint

[NewReformation]

"Traditions" in the Greek does not refer to rituals or other such things, as we think of 'tradition' in the English Language. "Traditions" means more of doctrinal teaching.

Furthermore, scripture does not support the concept that the Church IS the Truth. The Church is the foundation of the truth. Truth is found in God's Word. The Church holds up God's Word as Truth.

[dUSt]

[quote name='NewReformation' date='Apr 12 2004, 10:09 AM'] Furthermore, scripture does not support the concept that the Church IS the Truth. The Church is the foundation of the truth. Truth is found in God's Word. The Church holds up God's Word as Truth. [/quote]
Right. And God's Word is more than just the Bible.

Church = Foundation of Truth
Truth = God's Word
Then: The Church is the foundation of God's Word

[NewReformation]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Apr 12 2004, 10:16 AM'] Right. And God's Word is more than just the Bible.

Church = Foundation of Truth
Truth = God's Word
Then: The Church is the foundation of God's Word [/quote]
Hmmm...I disagree slightly. I see the church(universal) as the pillar/foundation which holds up the Truth, but in and of itself is not truth.

The Church is made up of people.
People are fallible.
All People.
The Bible is God's Word.
Therefore, the Bible is infallible.

[dUSt]

[quote name='NewReformation' date='Apr 12 2004, 10:20 AM'] Hmmm...I disagree slightly. I see the church(universal) as the pillar/foundation which holds up the Truth, but in and of itself is not truth.

The Church is made up of people.
People are fallible.
All People.
The Bible is God's Word.
Therefore, the Bible is infallible. [/quote]
But I just thought you said that God's Word was Truth? Is it not? And then I thought you said that the Church is the the foundation of Truth. Is it not? And then wouldn't that make the Church the foundation of God's Word?

Catholics agree that the Bible is infallible. But we recognize that individual interpretations are not infallible. What good is an infallible document if it can only be fallibly interpreted?

This is why we believe the Church to be infallible, as well as the Bible--for without an infallible interpretor, an infallible document would only be infallible by definition--but have no real world application of it's infallibility.

[NewReformation]

The church is the foundation of the Truth. That does not make it(the church) Truth.

[dUSt]

[quote name='NewReformation' date='Apr 12 2004, 10:33 AM'] The church is the foundation of the Truth. That does not make it(the church) Truth. [/quote]
Right. It makes it the foundation of God's Word.

[NewReformation]

Right. But that is totally different from saying that the 'church is infallible.' The Church is made up of fallible men. Men cannot be right 100% of the time concerning scripture.

[Dave]

[quote name='NewReformation' date='Apr 12 2004, 11:41 AM'] Right. But that is totally different from saying that the 'church is infallible.' The Church is made up of fallible men. Men cannot be right 100% of the time concerning scripture. [/quote]
Not unless they're guided by the Holy Spirit.

[NewReformation]

But aren't we all guided by that same Holy Spirit? Jesus did send the Holy Spirit to the entire Church. Not just a select few.

[Dave]

[quote name='NewReformation' date='Apr 12 2004, 11:48 AM'] But aren't we all guided by that same Holy Spirit? Jesus did send the Holy Spirit to the entire Church. Not just a select few. [/quote]
Problem -- we often mistake our own feelings and opinions for the Holy Spirit's guidance. Apart from God's Church, we can easily be misguided, but if we keep our hearts and minds open to God's Church and listen to it and obey it, then we can never go wrong.