Third Secret Of Fatima

[musturde]

I received a phone call from a loved one telling me that she got an e-mail revealing the Third Secret of Fatima (in arabic). She said it involved the death of a huge figure and atomic warfare that would last three days and that the faithful should lock themselves in their houses and pray for forgiveness. After she told me this ridiculously drawn out story, I looked up the Three Secrets of Fatima on Wikipedia to get general knowledge on the subject. I initially was very confused until I researched some other sites (including some threads on Phatmass). However, I would advise someone who is knowledgeable about this topic to edit the Wikipedia page, unless the facts on it are indisputable. Also, if anyone is willing, I would love to read a better explanation for some of the information on the page concerning the controversy surrounding the Third Secret.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Secrets_of_F%C3%A1tima

Edited February 28, 2010 by musturde

[elizabeth09]

OO, I love the story of Fatima. I even got the Sotry of Fatima on DVD, and in book.

[Apotheoun]

The third "secret" of Fatima has been posted on the Vatican website for several years now, click the link below:

[url="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html"]The Message of Fatima[/url]

[tinytherese]

What ever you do, don't make the mistake I did of getting involved with Fr. Nicholas Gruner and his Fatima Center. They insist that the third secret hasn't been released yet and that Russia wasn't properly consecrated as Our Lady desired. None of this is true and Fr. Gruner isn't in good standing with the Church (yet he denies it.)

[BarbTherese]

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http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html
CONGREGATION
FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH

THE MESSAGE
OF FATIMA


INTRODUCTION

As the second millennium gives way to the third, Pope John Paul II has decided to publish the text of the third part of the “secret of Fatima”. ...........to read on go to above link
[/center]

[Winchester]

The Third Secret of Fatima is the ending of "Lost".

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote]From the Vatican link: "Since we did not heed this appeal of the Message, we see that it has been fulfilled, Russia has invaded the world with her errors. And if we have not yet seen the complete fulfillment of the final part of this prophecy, we are going towards it little by little with great strides."[/quote]

Gee...socialism, secularism, self-centeredness, and atheism spreading throughout the world, even to America, against all reason? Sounds like we didn't heed Fatima to me.

I've never had a huge Marian devotion. Don't get me wrong, I love the Blessed Virgin, but I'm very poor in the way of prayer. Perhaps my zeal against socialism will lead me at last to my Mother.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Raphael' date='04 March 2010 - 07:37 AM' timestamp='1267713451' post='2066412']
Gee...socialism, secularism, self-centeredness, and atheism spreading throughout the world, even to America, against all reason? Sounds like we didn't heed Fatima to me.

I've never had a huge Marian devotion. Don't get me wrong, I love the Blessed Virgin, but I'm very poor in the way of prayer. Perhaps my zeal against socialism will lead me at last to my Mother.
[/quote]
And yet the same letter, referring to a later date than the text you quoted, states:

"Sister Lucia personally confirmed that this solemn and universal act of consecration corresponded to what Our Lady wished ('Sim, està feita, tal como Nossa Senhora a pediu, desde o dia 25 de Março de 1984': 'Yes it has been done just as Our Lady asked, on 25 March 1984': Letter of 8 November 1989). Hence any further discussion or request is without basis."

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='04 March 2010 - 10:31 AM' timestamp='1267716708' post='2066433']
And yet the same letter, referring to a later date than the text you quoted, states:

"Sister Lucia personally confirmed that this solemn and universal act of consecration corresponded to what Our Lady wished ('Sim, està feita, tal como Nossa Senhora a pediu, desde o dia 25 de Março de 1984': 'Yes it has been done just as Our Lady asked, on 25 March 1984': Letter of 8 November 1989). Hence any further discussion or request is without basis."
[/quote]
The consecration was performed properly, but I don't know that that means all Our Lady requested was done properly.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Raphael' date='04 March 2010 - 08:36 AM' timestamp='1267716992' post='2066435']
The consecration was performed properly, but I don't know that that means all Our Lady requested was done properly.
[/quote]
Although I am not really interested in the secrets of fatima, or any private revelations for that matter, I believe that the Vatican, by releasing letters and interviews (along with the third secret itself), is saying that everything was done as needed, and that no further act of consecration is necessary, while also saying that the events surrounding the attempt on John Paul II's life fulfill and complete the private revelations from Fatima.

To put it succinctly: It is finished.

Edited March 4, 2010 by Apotheoun

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='04 March 2010 - 10:39 AM' timestamp='1267717143' post='2066438']
Although I am not really interested in the secrets of fatima, or any private revelations for that matter, I believe that the Vatican, by releasing letters and interviews (along with the third secret itself), is saying that everything was done as needed, and that no further act of consecration is necessary, while also saying that the events surrounding the attempt on John Paul II's life fulfill and complete the private revelations from Fatima.

To put it succinctly: It is finished.
[/quote]
Right, no further act of consecration is necessary, but other things like the faithful returning to God, etc.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Raphael' date='04 March 2010 - 08:44 AM' timestamp='1267717497' post='2066440']
Right, no further act of consecration is necessary, but other things like the faithful returning to God, etc.
[/quote]
Certainly, but that is true always. It was true before Fatima, and it will be true until the Lord's Parousia.

[sacredheartandbloodofjesus]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='04 March 2010 - 10:39 AM' timestamp='1267717143' post='2066438']
Although I am not really interested in the secrets of fatima, or any private revelations for that matter, I believe that the Vatican, by releasing letters and interviews (along with the third secret itself), is saying that everything was done as needed, and that no further act of consecration is necessary, while also saying that the events surrounding the attempt on John Paul II's life fulfill and complete the private revelations from Fatima.

To put it succinctly: It is finished.
[/quote]


Its not as if the Vatican hasnt made mistakes in the past. Also I beleive the Consecration should of been by name(Russia). But I do agree with Raphael in so much that we havent responded faithfully yet as the whole people of God and that is why the triumph of Her immaculate heart is still in limbo.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='04 March 2010 - 10:52 AM' timestamp='1267717949' post='2066443']
Certainly, but that is true always. It was true before Fatima, and it will be true until the Lord's Parousia.
[/quote]

Yes, in that sense, our Lady's request was more of a warning, but nonetheless, some degree of what she warned us about could still occur if we didn't return completely to God. Certainly the consecration was part of it, but there are many other requests of Fatima we have not fully heeded, and so there is still much room for some of these things to happen.

[KeenanParkerII]

[quote]And yet the same letter, referring to a later date than the text you quoted, states:

"Sister Lucia personally confirmed that this solemn and universal act of consecration corresponded to what Our Lady wished ('Sim, està feita, tal como Nossa Senhora a pediu, desde o dia 25 de Março de 1984': 'Yes it has been done just as Our Lady asked, on 25 March 1984': Letter of 8 November 1989). Hence any further discussion or request is without basis."
[/quote]

hehe, this was in the Anglican conversion thread. I was completely at a loss when I read it initially..

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='sacredheartandbloodofjesus' date='04 March 2010 - 08:55 AM' timestamp='1267718131' post='2066447']
Its not as if the Vatican hasnt made mistakes in the past. Also I beleive the Consecration should of been by name(Russia). But I do agree with Raphael in so much that we havent responded faithfully yet as the whole people of God and that is why the triumph of Her immaculate heart is still in limbo.
[/quote]
As Cardinal Bertone's letter shows, Sister Lucia held the consecration of 1984 to be what the Theotokos wanted. I see no reason to doubt either her, or Pope John Paul II and the CDF on this issue.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='KeenanParkerII' date='04 March 2010 - 08:59 AM' timestamp='1267718350' post='2066449']
hehe, this was in the Anglican conversion thread. I was completely at a loss when I read it initially..
[/quote]
Yes, I placed it in the wrong thread initially.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Raphael' date='04 March 2010 - 08:57 AM' timestamp='1267718260' post='2066448']
Yes, in that sense, our Lady's request was more of a warning, but nonetheless, some degree of what she warned us about could still occur if we didn't return completely to God. Certainly the consecration was part of it, but there are many other requests of Fatima we have not fully heeded, and so there is still much room for some of these things to happen.
[/quote]
I see Fatima as "over" for lack of a better word, but as I said in my earlier post . . . "I am not really interested in the secrets of Fatima, or any private revelations for that matter."

[kafka]

All the true modern Marian apparitions are in my view preparations in one way or another for the Tribulation or End Times: The sequence of events leading up the the Second Coming of Christ. So Fatima is very important in that Mary is teaching us about some of the events which will come to pass, and that she wants Russia consecrated to her Immaculate Heart for a specific purpose in the sequence of the Tribulation.

The Third Secret is has to be understood in the context of the Tribulation otherwise it wont mean much. It basically predicts that the Holy Father will be fleeing in the midst of a city half in ruins probably Rome during a war. And that the Holy Father together with some bishops, priests and religous accompanying him will be martyred by some enemies. I am not sure if this refers to the first or second part of the Tribulation. It could be the martyrdom of the last Pope during the rise of Antichrist. I'm not sure. What I do know is that it is predicting a future event.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='musturde' date='28 February 2010 - 03:30 PM' timestamp='1267392646' post='2064422']
I received a phone call from a loved one telling me that she got an e-mail revealing the Third Secret of Fatima (in arabic). She said it involved the death of a huge figure and atomic warfare that would last three days and that the faithful should lock themselves in their houses and pray for forgiveness. After she told me this ridiculously drawn out story, I looked up the Three Secrets of Fatima on Wikipedia to get general knowledge on the subject. I initially was very confused until I researched some other sites (including some threads on Phatmass). However, I would advise someone who is knowledgeable about this topic to edit the Wikipedia page, unless the facts on it are indisputable. Also, if anyone is willing, I would love to read a better explanation for some of the information on the page concerning the controversy surrounding the Third Secret.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Secrets_of_F%C3%A1tima
[/quote]

I have a lot to atone for considering my opinions over the last few years, but while I no longer consider it a 'malicious' cover-up (at least on the part of the Pope, I won't necessarily give the same courtesy to other bishops/cardinals) I do believe there is something going on with the 3rd secret and the consecration of Russia (or lack thereof) and Sr. Lucia. Do I believe it has been revealed, I'm not sure. I'm not convinced it has. Do I know why it hasn't? Not at all, but I do think there is way more to this story than what we have been told. And yes I know fatima is a private revelation, but I do believe it (along with a couple of others such as Akita) are pivotal in our understanding of the last century and the future.

Yes I'm still a conspiracy theorist at heart

Edited March 4, 2010 by goldenchild17