Extent Of Complying

[Papist]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' timestamp='1303834346' post='2233398']
seems like people won't argue on my side, when i say enhanced interrogation or torture might in limited situations, be okay. they probably are out in hiding, cause it's aganst catholic teaching to support those things, and dont want to be rockin the boat
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How can anyone. You did not state what your side is.

[sixpence]

what should i do and what would i do are probably pretty different... not gonna lie

[Norseman82]

You forgot options for "poke her with the cushions" and "putting her in the comfy chair".

[dairygirl4u2c]

the below stuff from another thread reminded me of this thread.....

 

and we should be able to conclude, that stealing a loaf of bread for a homeless man, if it was ordered by a terrorist, would not be immoral to do.

 

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does this basically say that if you really need it, you can steal a loaf of bread?

 

Catechism of the Catholic Church:

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2408 The seventh commandment forbids theft, that is, usurping another's property against the reasonable will of the owner. There is no theft if consent can be presumed or if refusal is contrary to reason and the universal destination of goods..

 

 

said by a 'good catholic' and i'd think rightly so...
 

 

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Originally Posted by Pieman333272

Is stealing ever justified? For example, if you need to steal to feed your family? What about stealing something back which was stolen from you?

Unjustly taking or keeping the property of another (theft) is a violation of the seventh commandment, however with regard to your specific question, taking property of another in extreme circumstances of need is not theft if consent of the owner could be presumed or if refusal is contrary to reason and the universal destination of goods. (CCC 2408). Extreme circumstances would involve meeting the essential needs for food, shelter or clothing. So, yes taking food to keep your family from starving if you had no other recourse would not be theft. Not trying to encourage anyone to steal but just giving you the benefit of the teaching of the Church.

As far as the second question, stealing something back that was stolen from you, I think it would depend on the particulars of the circumstances. If someone actually stole your private property then the transfer of custody and control doesn't negate your ownership so in most cases I'd say that you wouldn't be stealing but simply resuming custody of your own property by taking it back. This however is just my own opinion.

[Catherine Therese]

I feel like some people must spend a lot of time watching "24" reruns... ;)