Jaime Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='09 August 2010 - 02:15 PM' timestamp='1281377744' post='2154721'] Do you not understand the point I am making? The New Law has [u]fulfilled[/u] (NOT changed) the Old Law. Certain practices are no longer necessary or required. That was what Knight said. Slaughtering an animal today for God would displease God because we already have the perfect sacrifice i.e. the Mass. You are getting on Knight's case because you insist that he implied God is changeable. But that is not what Knight said, nor implied. I illustrated his point further by my two examples of Old laws that have been [u]fulfilled[/u]. If you agree with me that it would displease God to slaughter an animal for Him right now, then you are agreeing that a law of God has been "changed" (better word: fulfilled). [/quote] Are you suggesting that God is displeased with my circumcision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennn Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 (edited) I think that the litteral definition of anti-semitism is this: To be against the children of Sem (one of Noach's sons). Edited August 9, 2010 by Bennn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='09 August 2010 - 02:23 PM' timestamp='1281378207' post='2154725'] Are you suggesting that God is displeased with my circumcision? [/quote] I would rather not discuss your personal medical procedure. I find the purpose of my post to be much more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='09 August 2010 - 02:26 PM' timestamp='1281378372' post='2154727'] I would rather not discuss your personal medical procedure. I find the purpose of my post to be much more important. [/quote] And I've stated several times that if he had said that, there would be no more discussion. He did not. He went to state as fact OT practices displeased God. He's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 [quote name='Bennn' date='09 August 2010 - 02:18 PM' timestamp='1281377888' post='2154722'] I did read, and provided you with counterarguments. I do not believe that your quotes from Nostra Aetate contradict Knight's point of view. [/quote] I have provided Church teachings, the Catechism and Nostra Aetate You have provided only your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='09 August 2010 - 02:32 PM' timestamp='1281378755' post='2154729'] And I've stated several times that if he had said that, there would be no more discussion. He did not. He went to state as fact OT practices displeased God. He's wrong. [/quote] He said that the OT practices NOW displease God. He said they ONCE pleased God. The reason why they no longer please Him is because Christ has fulfilled them, and we are now to follow the laws Christ has instilled - laws that, again, have fulfilled the Old. Are you saying, however, that I can go and slaughter an animal as a sacrifice to God, in keeping the the OT law, and it would please Him? Can you please answer this question for me? Would it or would it not please God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennn Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 (edited) [quote name='hot stuff' date='09 August 2010 - 08:32 PM' timestamp='1281378755' post='2154729'] And I've stated several times that if he had said that, there would be no more discussion. He did not. He went to state as fact OT practices displeased God. He's wrong. [/quote] I fear that this might turn into a 'yes' 'no' game. Such things never bear good fruit. We do not believe that he is wrong, rather that you misinterpret his posts. If we are out of arguments to support our points than I believe it is better to stop the discussion before another flame war bursts out. To a 'He's wrong.' post, we could simply reply 'He's right.' Edited August 9, 2010 by Bennn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='09 August 2010 - 02:33 PM' timestamp='1281378831' post='2154730'] I have provided Church teachings, the Catechism and Nostra Aetate You have provided only your opinion. [/quote] He has provided a Scriptural quote that stated circumcision is no longer necessary. But it was necessary according to the Old law, right? So an Old law "changed", J. Is the Bible wrong for "changing" a law of God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 [quote name='Bennn' date='09 August 2010 - 02:36 PM' timestamp='1281378994' post='2154732'] I fear that this might turn into a 'yes' 'no' game. Such things never bear good fruit. We do not believe that he is wrong, rather that you misinterpret his posts. If we are out of arguments to support our points than I believe it is better to stop the discussion before another flame war bursts out. [/quote] Well if you want to believe in antisemitic statements that are in no way in line with Church teaching, that is your right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennn Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='09 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1281378831' post='2154730'] I have provided Church teachings, the Catechism and Nostra Aetate You have provided only your opinion. [/quote] You have provided quotes, along with your personal interpretation of them. I have countered your interpretation with mine. Also, I have quoted Nicea II in this thread before so your accusation is void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='09 August 2010 - 02:02 AM' timestamp='1281333768' post='2154529'] The religious practices of the Old Law once pleased God, that is no longer so, and such practices are now in vain and do not please God. Only the worship of Mother Church pleases God. [/quote] This is the post that is under surveillance. I believe we should break up the points being argued. 1. The religious practices of the Old law once pleased God. [b]True[/b] 2. That is no longer so [b]True - because they have been fulfilled in Christ[/b] Edited August 9, 2010 by HisChildForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennn Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='09 August 2010 - 08:38 PM' timestamp='1281379100' post='2154735'] Well if you want to believe in antisemitic statements that are in no way in line with Church teaching, that is your right. [/quote] I believe this to be a false accusation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='09 August 2010 - 02:36 PM' timestamp='1281379014' post='2154733'] He has provided a Scriptural quote that stated circumcision is no longer necessary. But it was necessary according to the Old law, right? So an Old law "changed", J. Is the Bible wrong for "changing" a law of God? [/quote] I've never once suggested that the institution of the Church has not changed laws. But the Nature of God has not changed. God is no more displeased with Jewish practices than he is with the fact that my parents chose to circumcise me as an infant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='09 August 2010 - 02:43 PM' timestamp='1281379418' post='2154741'] I've never once suggested that the institution of the Church has not changed laws. But the Nature of God has not changed. God is no more displeased with Jewish practices than he is with the fact that my parents chose to circumcise me as an infant. [/quote] No one said that God has changed. Please provide the quote where that was stated. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 [quote name='Bennn' date='09 August 2010 - 02:40 PM' timestamp='1281379206' post='2154736'] You have provided quotes, along with your personal interpretation of them. I have countered your interpretation with mine. Also, I have quoted Nicea II in this thread before so your accusation is void. [/quote] It wasn't an accusation it was a fact. Since the Nicea quote was prior, it bears no relevance to defending KoC's antisemitic comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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