University Student Protests "our Lord" On Diplomas

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='31 March 2010 - 02:45 PM' timestamp='1270061111' post='2084164']
They are fighting the head coverings really hard right now in Quebec. I don't so much care about head covering in an ID, but when it covers the face it kind of defeats the purpose of the photo. The Hutterites here in Alberta just lost a court case about not wanting to have a photo of any kind on their driver's licenses.
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If I were Hutterite I might renounce driving or else drive illegally when I really needed to. Problem though is that I'd be risking a mug shot. Hmm... If only the Stargate Atlantis puddle jumpers were real. Something else to add to my prayer intentions list...

Seriously, I had a four hour per day commute at one point (hey, if you don't like the commute you can just quit according to the prosaic and crass wisdom of this thread), and I would often daydream about having a puddle jumper. Cloaking capabilities, super speed, can travel in outer space... Woot!!

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='CherieMadame' date='31 March 2010 - 12:07 PM' timestamp='1270051620' post='2084063']
I don't know, this sort of reminds me of a problem I had as a religious, wearing a veil. The people who were taking drivers' license photos told us we had to remove our veils (they also said this to Muslim women.) Does that mean we shouldn't apply for a drivers' license? No, I believe it was our right to wear a veil. It's something sacred to us, we didn't go in public places without wearing one.
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For your safety and security - a woman could steal your license and put on a veil to match the photo
As well as for your identification - for the safety of the police officer, should you get pulled over

you had to take off the veil.

The same applies to a passport. Safety and security comes first.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='31 March 2010 - 02:22 PM' timestamp='1270059750' post='2084150'] I believe it is cool when people wear the habit, the yarmulke, the turban, the hijab, and the like, and to deny people their legitimate religious traditions is creepy. This is not being PC as some might fear, but just basic respect for others and the golden rule imo.[/quote]

Unless the employers feel it will interfere with business.

If you want to work there, you have to follow the rules.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='31 March 2010 - 03:40 PM' timestamp='1270064448' post='2084196']
Unless the employers feel it will interfere with business.

If you want to work there, you have to follow the rules.
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If you can't wear the make-up and the red wig perhaps you should not apply for the Ronald McDonald job. I see your point.

[Laudate_Dominum]

The original Ronald McDonald:

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The sad clown who botched the interview the first time.

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Where's homeschoolmom!? I can't stop going off-topic. [IMG]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/banana_rawk.gif[/IMG]

[Apotheoun]

Bunchie recently was denied a job for wearing a hijab.

[img]http://sites.google.com/site/thetaboriclight/metamorphosis/bunchie_covvering.jpg[/img]

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='31 March 2010 - 03:36 PM' timestamp='1270064176' post='2084190']
For your safety and security - a woman could steal your license and put on a veil to match the photo
As well as for your identification - for the safety of the police officer, should you get pulled over

you had to take off the veil.
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I'm so glad that people can't grow or cut their hair to any length, or artificially change the colour, because that would be a massive security hazard.

Nuns nor Muslim females should have to remove their veils.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='31 March 2010 - 04:09 PM' timestamp='1270066167' post='2084222']
Bunchie recently was denied a job for wearing a hijab.

[img]http://sites.google.com/site/thetaboriclight/metamorphosis/bunchie_covvering.jpg[/img]
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I'm saving that pic to my hard drive!

[Slappo]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='31 March 2010 - 11:22 AM' timestamp='1270059750' post='2084150']
[color="#000000"]I believe it is cool when people wear the habit, the yarmulke, the turban, the hijab, and the like, and to deny people their legitimate religious traditions is creepy. This is not being PC as some might fear, but just basic respect for others and the golden rule imo.
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The thing is wearing or not wearing a hijab is not a moral situation even if the Muslim woman feels that it is (to say that because she feels it is makes it one would be moral relativism).

Things like selling birth control, flagrant immodesty that would likely cause others to lust (hooters/cleavage/shirtless women), etc are moral situations.

What if my "[b]legitimate religious tradition[/b]" was to stand on one foot, hop around, and sing at the top of my lungs at 7am, 10am, 1pm, and 4pm? Should I claim religious discrimination when an employer says I am unfit for the position as it interferes with the business?

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='31 March 2010 - 11:22 AM' timestamp='1270059750' post='2084150']
I'm inclined to boycott a business which forbids hijabs, turbans and other such things, or that requires people to [b]compromise their values in any way[/b] (being made to sell birth control comes to mind). To just say, 'well they can go work somewhere else,' suggests a lack of empathy in my opinion. Many people spend months trying to find a job to support their family and cannot be so picky. Employers ought to treat employees with respect and be able to [b]make exceptions for religious things[/b].
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What if my values inhibit my ability to work or are seriously offensive to others. Example: my anti-semetic values which include wearing swastika's everywhere I go. It could cause a serious decline in the amount of customers coming to a business.

Define some exceptions. That is extremely broad. Maybe the employer at the hair salon would have allowed religious jewelry or even a 10 minute break at 3pm for prayer time, but could not justify letting a hairdresser cover her hair the entire time she worked. My job has not prevented me from wearing any religious articles or putting up a couple religious pictures in my cubicle, but I'm sure that if I brought in a 5ft crucifix and tried to put it in the corner of my cubicle that I'd be asked to remove it.

[Slappo]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='31 March 2010 - 01:10 PM' timestamp='1270066254' post='2084223']
I'm so glad that people can't grow or cut their hair to any length, or artificially change the colour, because that would be a massive security hazard.

Nuns nor Muslim females should have to remove their veils.
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unfortunately the veils of nuns nor muslims are not limited to covering one's hair. Many veils include covering a large portion of one's cheeks which includes covering their ears. I have been asked to move my hair aside (as a guy with shaggy hair) so that my ears are showing in passport pictures...

Sure someone could just make sure that his ears were covered when trying to look like me... but the point is a veil or head covering can remove a significant number of things that can be used to help identify someone.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Slappo' date='31 March 2010 - 03:18 PM' timestamp='1270066695' post='2084232']


Define some exceptions. That is extremely broad. Maybe the employer at the hair salon would have allowed religious jewelry or even a 10 minute break at 3pm for prayer time, but could not justify letting a hairdresser cover her hair the entire time she worked. My job has not prevented me from wearing any religious articles or putting up a couple religious pictures in my cubicle, but[b] I'm sure that if I brought in a 5ft crucifix and tried to put it in the corner of my cubicle that I'd be asked to remove it.[/b]
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Stop giving me ideas. I'm going to have a hard enough time in the business world as it is.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='31 March 2010 - 02:02 PM' timestamp='1270065733' post='2084214']
Where's homeschoolmom!? I can't stop going off-topic. [IMG]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/banana_rawk.gif[/IMG]
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Didn't this thread go off topic a long time ago. It is supposed to be on whether removing the words "Our Lord" from a diploma is necessary for multi-cultural reasons.

[dominicansoul]

the bottom line is this university has a Christian foundation, and so, those words should never come off the diploma, regardless of what religion the student is...

[Era Might]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='29 March 2010 - 09:08 PM' timestamp='1269911280' post='2083011']"A diploma is a very personal item, and people want to proudly display it in their offices and homes,” Sidra Qureshi, president of Trinity Diversity Connection, told the Chronicle. “By having the phrase ‘In the Year of Our Lord,' it is directly referencing Jesus Christ, and not everyone believes in Jesus Christ."[/quote]
I believe in Christ, but I don't believe in a diploma. Is there any way that I can keep Our Lord's name but get rid of the diploma?

Edited March 31, 2010 by Era Might

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Slappo' date='31 March 2010 - 04:21 PM' timestamp='1270066889' post='2084236']
unfortunately the veils of nuns nor muslims are not limited to covering one's hair. Many veils include covering a large portion of one's cheeks which includes covering their ears. I have been asked to move my hair aside (as a guy with shaggy hair) so that my ears are showing in passport pictures...

Sure someone could just make sure that his ears were covered when trying to look like me... but the point is a veil or head covering can remove a significant number of things that can be used to help identify someone.
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You're correct here, I suppose, in that the regulations extend past veils (I, too, had to tuck my hair behind my ears for my passport photo (which I think is ridiculous, because that's clearly not how I actually look)). I still think that this is an unnecessary measure. I mean, really, not wearing a burqa, yes, that is logical. But a veil, or hair covering the ears!?
Please.