Twenty One Reasons Why Statism Is A Radical And Radically Incoherent T

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='21 May 2010 - 11:46 PM' timestamp='1274499977' post='2115105']
He flashes lights at me. If I do not pull over, he will chase my car down and [i]force[/i] me to stop, with the help of other people like him. If I do pull over, he will give me a citation, a threat that I [i]must [/i]pay $200 and remove the tinting, [i]or else[/i]. Is his flashing lights at me merely a polite[i] suggestion[/i] that just happens to be backed up with the threat of initiating severe physical violence, and therefore, not a violent act itself?

Question away, Era. Begin now.

~Sternhauser
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Here I believe you give a perfect example of how voluntarism would actually work, the state even on the smallest and most useful level is to be thought an unjust aggressor. If there was doubt as to if you advocated anarchy there should be no doubt now. A policemen attempts to pull you over for say speeding which would endanger lives, and he's the bad guy? Then when you decide to run for it he's still the bad guy? Law enforcement is a vocation, because God calls some of us to serve and protect. Disregard for their authority over us is disregard for Gods authority over us.

Edited May 22, 2010 by KnightofChrist

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='22 May 2010 - 01:58 AM' timestamp='1274507896' post='2115212']
In my opinion Sternhauser has a valid point, or at least a point that deserves further study, when he claims that all modern governments are illegitimate through tyranny.
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Do you truly understand what an actual tyranny looks like? I should warn you it really looks nothing like Canada, a modern government. Applying the word tyranny to "all modern governments" is simply a gross misuse of the actual meaning of the word. The Governments of Hitler and Stalin where truly tyrannical, and not all modern governments are like their governments. China and others are, but to say all is just nonfactual and illogical.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='22 May 2010 - 01:08 AM' timestamp='1274508497' post='2115223']
Here I believe you give a perfect example of how voluntarism would actually work, the state even on the smallest and most useful level is to be thought an unjust aggressor. If there was doubt as to if you advocated anarchy there should be no doubt now. A policemen attempts to pull you over for say speeding which would endanger lives, and he's the bad guy? Then when you decide to run for it he's still the bad guy? Law enforcement is a vocation, because God calls some of us to serve and protect. Disregard for their authority over us is disregard for Gods authority over us.
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Knight, once again, you are taking things completely out of context and misrepresenting the argument. We had been talking about [b][i]window tint,[/i][/b] not reckless driving or any other real crime, with a real victim.

I am all in favor of a body of men who are charged with stopping true crime: acts that violate the life, liberty and property of other human beings.

Your endless rash assumptions, straw men and misconstructions are becoming very tiresome.

~Sternhauser

Edited May 22, 2010 by Sternhauser

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='22 May 2010 - 07:07 AM' timestamp='1274526438' post='2115272']
Knight, once again, you are taking things completely out of context and misrepresenting the argument. We had been talking about [b][i]window tint,[/i][/b] not reckless driving or any other real crime, with a real victim.

I am all in favor of a body of men who are charged with stopping true crime: acts that violate the life, liberty and property of other human beings.

Your endless rash assumptions, straw men and misconstructions are becoming very tiresome.

~Sternhauser
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In context you still find a policemen to be an unjust aggressor. You did talk of running from the policemen and very clearly made the point that it would be wrong of him to try and stop you, because he would apply "severe physical violence". Heavily tinted windows can endanger other drivers, because of the way it limits vision of the driver. Anyway once someone decides not to stop they just as easily endanger others lives and that is justification for the policemen to catch you.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='22 May 2010 - 01:16 AM' timestamp='1274509008' post='2115231']
Do you truly understand what an actual tyranny looks like? I should warn you it really looks nothing like Canada, a modern government. Applying the word tyranny to "all modern governments" is simply a gross misuse of the actual meaning of the word. The Governments of Hitler and Stalin where truly tyrannical, and not all modern governments are like their governments. China and others are, but to say all is just nonfactual and illogical.
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Well there's definitely a large difference in degree, but what about in principle? Would you agree or disagree that your government and mine do at least some things which are, in principal, tyrannical?

[Laudate_Dominum]

This guy for president.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0&feature=player_embedded[/media]

[Era Might]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='22 May 2010 - 01:31 PM' timestamp='1274549479' post='2115419']
This guy for president.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0&feature=player_embedded[/media]
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He seems to like saying the word "Alabama."

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='22 May 2010 - 12:31 PM' timestamp='1274549479' post='2115419']
This guy for president.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0&feature=player_embedded[/media]
[/quote]

Best. ad. ever.

[Apotheoun]

The rifle is a nice touch.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='22 May 2010 - 12:31 PM' timestamp='1274549479' post='2115419']
This guy for president.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0&feature=player_embedded[/media]
[/quote]
I like how he casually pulls out the rifle.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='22 May 2010 - 12:03 PM' timestamp='1274551397' post='2115437']
I like how he casually pulls out the rifle.
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Yes, he knows how to use a weapon, and it should come in handy when he sits in his office as Agriculture Commissioner.

[Sternhauser]

If he knew how to use a weapon, his finger wouldn't be in the trigger guard while he's flailing it around.

~Sternhauser

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='22 May 2010 - 01:35 PM' timestamp='1274553341' post='2115451']
If he knew how to use a weapon, his finger wouldn't be in the trigger guard while he's flailing it around.

~Sternhauser
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Good call. That's something so obvious that I almost noticed it, and I've fired guns on a total of two occasions ever.

Edited May 22, 2010 by Nihil Obstat

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='22 May 2010 - 12:35 PM' timestamp='1274553341' post='2115451']
If he knew how to use a weapon, his finger wouldn't be in the trigger guard while he's flailing it around.

~Sternhauser
[/quote]
He may be showing us how he intends to wield the weapon in the Agriculture Commissioner's office.

[Laudate_Dominum]

maybe he's trying to say that he's got his finger on the trigger and ain't playin' around.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='22 May 2010 - 02:25 PM' timestamp='1274559900' post='2115492']
maybe he's trying to say that he's got his finger on the trigger and ain't playin' around.
[/quote]
Exactly.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='22 May 2010 - 04:24 PM' timestamp='1274559870' post='2115490']
He may be showing us how he intends to wield the weapon in the Agriculture Commissioner's office.
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great minds think alike.

[spoiler]
and so do ours it would seem
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[Apotheoun]

It gives new meaning to firing employees.

[Catholic Fox]

He's just ready to kick butt and take names.

[Sternhauser]

"Put not your trust in princes, in the children of men, in whom there is no help."

~Sternhauser