Ziggamafu Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 [quote name='Raphael' date='28 July 2010 - 05:09 PM' timestamp='1280351363' post='2149236'] "Three keys for the liberal demiurges under the sky, Nine for the corporate CEOs in their halls of stone, Seven for mortal men doomed to die, One for dark lord Obama on his throne In the District of Columbia where the shadows lie. One key to rule them all, one key to find them, one key to bring them all, and in blue screen of death to bind them. In the District of Columbia where the shadows lie." [/quote] This needs to be a new Phatmass tee.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 [quote name='Ziggamafu' date='28 July 2010 - 05:15 PM' timestamp='1280351735' post='2149240'] This needs to be a new Phatmass tee. [/quote] Nah. It's not mission-specific to PM. Actually, it's pretty off-topic.
jeffpugh Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 [quote name='Raphael' date='28 July 2010 - 05:09 PM' timestamp='1280351363' post='2149236'] "Three keys for the liberal demiurges under the sky, Nine for the corporate CEOs in their halls of stone, Seven for mortal men doomed to die, One for dark lord Obama on his throne In the District of Columbia where the shadows lie. One key to rule them all, one key to find them, one key to bring them all, and in blue screen of death to bind them. In the District of Columbia where the shadows lie." [/quote] Aaaand... icing on the cake
ardillacid Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 I'd like to see more detailed information on this. There is no centralized internet hub as portrayed in South Park. It is a network composed of networks, just using the same protocol(s). You would need dozens or hundreds of these keys. Sounds like a load of poo to me.
Lil Red Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 [quote name='notardillacid' date='28 July 2010 - 02:47 PM' timestamp='1280353623' post='2149250'] I'd like to see more detailed information on this. There is no centralized internet hub as portrayed in South Park. It is a network composed of networks, just using the same protocol(s). You would need dozens or hundreds of these keys. Sounds like a load of poo to me. [/quote] asking for evidence is a load of poo
jeffpugh Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) The "keys" could be protocols to get swat teams in to "deal" with network warehouses. Edited July 28, 2010 by Sacred Music Man
ThePenciledOne Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 [quote name='Raphael' date='28 July 2010 - 06:09 PM' timestamp='1280351363' post='2149236'] "Three keys for the liberal demiurges under the sky, Nine for the corporate CEOs in their halls of stone, Seven for mortal men doomed to die, One for dark lord Obama on his throne In the District of Columbia where the shadows lie. One key to rule them all, one key to find them, one key to bring them all, and in blue screen of death to bind them. In the District of Columbia where the shadows lie." [/quote] In a way this is ingenious. But for the fact that I love Lord of the Rings so much, this distortion hurts me.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 [quote name='notardillacid' date='28 July 2010 - 05:47 PM' timestamp='1280353623' post='2149250'] I'd like to see more detailed information on this. There is no centralized internet hub as portrayed in South Park. It is a network composed of networks, just using the same protocol(s). You would need dozens or hundreds of these keys. Sounds like a load of poo to me. [/quote] Actually, all you really need is for Neo to stick his hand in any connected computer mainframe.
Nihil Obstat Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 [quote name='Raphael' date='28 July 2010 - 07:24 PM' timestamp='1280363085' post='2149325'] Actually, all you really need is for Neo to stick his hand in any connected computer mainframe. [/quote] [img]http://www.blogcdn.com/news.bigdownload.com/media/2008/12/whoa.jpg[/img]
mommas_boy Posted July 31, 2010 Posted July 31, 2010 (edited) Hey guys. Just a heads up on what this is all about. First off, these "keys to the internet" do not control content on the internet. Usage of the keys do not turn off the internet, or reboot it, or wipe all websites and the information that they contain off of the face of the internet. This is not the government attempting to control information on the internet. Instead, this is the government attempting to protect an underlying structure to the internet, called "Domain Name Service", or DNS for short. Basically, DNS is the internet's phone book. These keys allow the DNS "phone book" to be reconstructed. Take a look at all of your contacts on your cell phone. How many of those phone numbers do you actually remember? At one time, before I had a cell phone with a contact list, I knew all of the numbers that I needed to call by heart. Now, I don't even know my own fiance's number -- I don't have to, because I have my contact list. All websites on the internet have a phone number. For example, Phatmass's "phone number" is "208.101.62.210". You can actually see this in action: copy and paste "208.101.62.210" into your address bar in your browser, and you'll see that it takes you right to Phatmass. This number is called an "IP address" or "internet protocol address". But this is where DNS comes in -- who wants to remember that number? Even better, who CAN remember each number for every website that they visit? So, DNS does the work of remembering for you: you type in a website address, DNS looks up IP number, and directs you there. Just like your phonebook on your cell phone. But, there's a rub. Imagine that someone hijacked the DNS server, so that whenever someone typed "www.phatmass.com", they were re-directed to another address. People could still reach Phatmass, if they could only remember the IP number. But they can't, and without a good DNS, there would be no way to look up that number, either. That's where these keys come in. While they don't wipe all of the data from every website on the internet, they do clear the phone book***. After the phone book has been cleared, then website owners are able to re-apply for their website names, and get back into the DNS's registry or phonebook. So in essence, it allows us to recover the internet to the state that it was just before an e-terrorist attack on the world's DNS servers. But, it doesn't clear data on those sites, and [b][u]doesn't pose any usefulness at all in censoring information[/u][/b]. *** -- Point of clarification, albeit technical, so deserving of a footnote. The keys do not clear the entire "phonebook". Someone else pointed out that the system is a distributed one. And that is true. There are many DNS servers out there. In fact, the software to run your own is [url="http://www.bind9.net/"]freely available on the internet[/url]. But, each one of those DNS servers are certified as being correct by one above it. Which means that there is a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_root_zone"]group of DNS servers that are masters over all the rest[/url]. This central, authoritative group is called the ROOT zone. All other DNS servers derive their authority from one of the ROOT servers. The keys discussed here do no wipe all of the DNS servers in the world -- only the ones in the ROOT zone. All other DNS servers would then need to be "re-certified" by one of the root servers. Edited July 31, 2010 by mommas_boy
ardillacid Posted July 31, 2010 Posted July 31, 2010 [quote name='mommas_boy' date='31 July 2010 - 12:54 AM' timestamp='1280552073' post='2150171'] Hey guys. Just a heads up on what this is all about. First off, these "keys to the internet" do not control content on the internet. Usage of the keys do not turn off the internet, or reboot it, or wipe all websites and the information that they contain off of the face of the internet. This is not the government attempting to control information on the internet. Instead, this is the government attempting to protect an underlying structure to the internet, called "Domain Name Service", or DNS for short. Basically, DNS is the internet's phone book. These keys allow the DNS "phone book" to be reconstructed. Take a look at all of your contacts on your cell phone. How many of those phone numbers do you actually remember? At one time, before I had a cell phone with a contact list, I knew all of the numbers that I needed to call by heart. Now, I don't even know my own fiance's number -- I don't have to, because I have my contact list. All websites on the internet have a phone number. For example, Phatmass's "phone number" is "208.101.62.210". You can actually see this in action: copy and paste "208.101.62.210" into your address bar in your browser, and you'll see that it takes you right to Phatmass. This number is called an "IP address" or "internet protocol address". But this is where DNS comes in -- who wants to remember that number? Even better, who CAN remember each number for every website that they visit? So, DNS does the work of remembering for you: you type in a website address, DNS looks up IP number, and directs you there. Just like your phonebook on your cell phone. But, there's a rub. Imagine that someone hijacked the DNS server, so that whenever someone typed "www.phatmass.com", they were re-directed to another address. People could still reach Phatmass, if they could only remember the IP number. But they can't, and without a good DNS, there would be no way to look up that number, either. That's where these keys come in. While they don't wipe all of the data from every website on the internet, they do clear the phone book***. After the phone book has been cleared, then website owners are able to re-apply for their website names, and get back into the DNS's registry or phonebook. So in essence, it allows us to recover the internet to the state that it was just before an e-terrorist attack on the world's DNS servers. But, it doesn't clear data on those sites, and doesn't pose any usefulness at all in censoring information. *** -- Point of clarification, albeit technical, so deserving of a footnote. The keys do not clear the entire "phonebook". Someone else pointed out that the system is a distributed one. And that is true. There are many DNS servers out there. In fact, the software to run your own is [url="http://www.bind9.net/"]freely available on the internet[/url]. But, each one of those DNS servers are certified as being correct by one above it. Which means that there is a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_root_zone"]group of DNS servers that are masters over all the rest[/url]. This central, authoritative group is called the ROOT zone. All other DNS servers derive their authority from one of the ROOT servers. The keys discussed here do no wipe all of the DNS servers in the world -- only the ones in the ROOT zone. All other DNS servers would then need to be "re-certified" by one of the root servers. [/quote] Exactly. That's why I lol'ed at this. Nice reply, if we were still on the points system, I would give a +10563452
mommas_boy Posted July 31, 2010 Posted July 31, 2010 Good website on this (that actually makes the same LoTR joke) is here: http://www.livescience.com/technology/key-holders-cyber-attack-100729.html More good sites: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/841315--the-canadian-who-holds-the-key-to-the-internet http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/07/31/0230211/The-Canadian-Who-Holds-the-Key-To-the-Internet
ardillacid Posted July 31, 2010 Posted July 31, 2010 [quote name='mommas_boy' date='31 July 2010 - 03:05 AM' timestamp='1280559907' post='2150217'] Good website on this (that actually makes the same LoTR joke) is here: http://www.livescience.com/technology/key-holders-cyber-attack-100729.html More good sites: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/841315--the-canadian-who-holds-the-key-to-the-internet http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/07/31/0230211/The-Canadian-Who-Holds-the-Key-To-the-Internet [/quote] Government controlled propaganda.
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