Banning The Burqa

[Resurrexi]

In short, I do not believe that freedom of speech or freedom of religion are ideals that should be found in every state (unless by these are meant the freedom to speak the truth and the freedom to practice the true religion), rather, I see them as practical necessities in any country that has a non-Catholic majority.

Edited August 10, 2010 by Resurrexi

[dominicansoul]

banning the burqa is ridiculous... banning a false religion on the other hand...

[Laudate_Dominum]

Never. I will never ban the burqa. It is a slippery slope. Burqas today, ninja suits tomorrow. I will have none of it. Before you know it they'll forbid [url="http://www.cafepress.com/+passover+boxers"]Passover boxers[/url].

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='havok579257' date='07 August 2010 - 06:06 AM' timestamp='1281157604' post='2153575']
what about the women who want to wear one. by not allowing them, your denying them the freedom of religion. the problem is if the government is able to deny one group of people thier rights to freedom of religion, then it will be no time before they deny all relgions their rights. if the burqa gets banned, it will only be a while before the nun's outfit is banned. if you really think the liberal left will stop at one religion's clothing then your deluding yourself.
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I've thought of this as well. There's a lady in my home ed group who wears a burqa, and AFAIK she wears it willingly, though I've not discussed it with her. The other Muslims in the group don the hijab instead.

[Lil Red]

in a way (though i know this specifically deals with 'security' issues), it makes me think of 'freedom of religion' vs. 'freedom of worship'. IOW, it's okay, as long as it's kept private and not public.

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='10 August 2010 - 09:05 AM' timestamp='1281445549' post='2155177']
Never. I will never ban the burqa. It is a slippery slope. Burqas today, ninja suits tomorrow. I will have none of it. Before you know it they'll forbid [url="http://www.cafepress.com/+passover+boxers"]Passover boxers[/url].
[/quote]
God used to like passover boxers, but He doesn't anymore.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='MIkolbe' date='10 August 2010 - 12:35 PM' timestamp='1281458139' post='2155329']
God used to like passover boxers, but He doesn't anymore.
[/quote]

[MithLuin]

[i]*refrains from making comments about loins being girt*[/i]

I can understand that it is weird for someone's face to be covered, and that, realistically, there are some cases where it would not work. Getting a driver's license (or passport), yes, requires a photo of the face. But also, any time one is obligated to flash ID (such as in an airport), the face cannot be covered at that time, either.

I was wearing a bandana (kerchief) when I went in for my driver's license photo. They instructed me to take it off, which I did. I imagine a hijab would also cause concern in that situation, though at least the face is visible. The burqa, on the other hand...is just not feasible. Your choices are to take it off, or to not get the license.

Banning the burqa outright seems too oppressive to me. I'd be in favor of placing limitations on where it can be worn without banning it outright. I can see security concerns surrounding airports, banks and other events or gatherings. But to say 'no one may walk down the street or sit in a public park while wearing a burqa'...since when do we legislate fashion? If so, I can honestly think of some articles of clothing I'd like to ban before we get around to the burqa. Certain applications of spandex come to mind....

I mean, are we going to ban Halloween costumes with masks that cover the face? If not...why the burqa in particular? Seems too close to persecution, which is not exactly how we are going to convince these women that an enlightened Western society is the way to go.

[Winchester]

I'd require it to have a double rainbow print pattern.

[Hassan]

[quote name='dominicansoul' date='10 August 2010 - 09:01 AM' timestamp='1281445283' post='2155174']
banning the burqa is ridiculous... banning a false religion on the other hand...
[/quote]

It's tempting. But freedom of conscious must be protected and ending all the false religions would have many adverse affects. That would mean the end of the free food I get during Ramadan and the time I spend with you fine people.

[MIKolbe]

Hassan... you know by 'you people', you mean me.

it's ok to admit it

[Hassan]

[quote name='MIkolbe' date='11 August 2010 - 09:24 PM' timestamp='1281576284' post='2156234']
Hassan... you know by 'you people', you mean me.

it's ok to admit it
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I waited at a Penn State coffe show for four hours last night.

[MIKolbe]

i figured you would.

[MIKolbe]

dude, you should come by for dinner

srsly.

[Hassan]

[quote name='MIkolbe' date='11 August 2010 - 09:30 PM' timestamp='1281576650' post='2156237']
dude, you should come by for dinner

srsly.
[/quote]

I'm in the upper north-east corner of the state

[MIKolbe]

oh...

well get driving, then..

I'm kinda worth it...

[Hassan]

[quote name='MIkolbe' date='11 August 2010 - 09:47 PM' timestamp='1281577624' post='2156244']
oh...

well get driving, then..

I'm kinda worth it...
[/quote]
Thats cute. I'm staying on a farm in a delightful dairy town. If you get here by Friday you can see the fireworks at the end of the fireman parade.