Sodom And Gomorrah

[Chi Zhuzi]

[quote name='Chi Zhuzi' timestamp='1286404864' post='2178229']
What's his name... in his book about anti-Catholicism (I'll have to google to find his name), I believe stated the New York City public school system moved accused and guilty teachers around from one school to the next, similar what the Catholic Church had done.
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Here's the author. His book I was speaking about is [i]The New Anti-Catholicism[/i].

His book [i]The Lost History of Christianity[/i] is very good too.

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Jenkins"]Author Philip Jenkins[/url]

[Chi Zhuzi]

[quote name='notardillacid' timestamp='1286405483' post='2178231']
If there were a tax placed on the words inquisition and galileo, there would be a lot of bankrupt trolls.
[/quote]

The Inquisition was not the heinous affair non-Catholics often make it out to be. It has been described as "a popular movement" by some historians and probably justifiably so. Henry Kamen (a ethnic Jewish man, and historian, for what worth that may carry in terms of racial politics) states that probably [b]5,000 [/b]people were put to death, over the course of hundreds of years, in supposedly the most notorious Inquisition of all, the Spanish Inquisition.

To put that in context I offer this: over several decades the government Iran has put to death, through capital punishment, roughly 5,000 homosexual men.

So, the Spanish Inquisition does not seem to have been as blood lusting as the popular received image gives.

Likewise, Thomas Merton noted in one of his books, that Stalin had more people put to death in one town, in one day, then all number of people that were put to death in several hundred years of Inquisition in Latin America.

Do you take issue with what I just stated?

Well take issue with this: it was a disgrace that the Catholic Church was involved in what resulted in many Catholics being burned at the stake, for what we in evolved democratic societies today view as issues of person conscience and freedoms all related to autonomy.

The Galileo affair was a disgrace. And in my opinion largely more so because Galileo was a [u]devote Catholic[/u] that wanted [u]to save[/u] the Catholic Church from making a grand mistake, he theorized, would haunt it for centuries in historical literature. He was right.

By the way, I'm a supporter of the what we term "the Crusades," and by Crusades I mean even the Reconquest of Spain and the Battle of Vienna.

You take issue with what I have just said?

Everything I've just stated I've stated to an avowed agnostic who writes me off as a [b]blind follower of the Catholic Church. [/b]He regards me as the most hardcore defender of Catholicism on the board we argue on. The young woman that denotes herself as "Catholic" who sides with atheists, uses birth control, and cares not a lick about the image of Catholicism, I can tell, thinks I defend the Catholic Church too much.

What do you think Jesus thinks, since you obviously know his heart and how he views my service to him and his mother? As a good Catholic that would allow your King and Queen's Church to fall into blunder, you must be certain he views me as a troll?

Have you ever pondered where your mouth would be, if you were living during the era of the Spanish Inquisition or the trial of Galileo?

People have their views, but their views may not necessarily always be objective truth. I was struck with humor on a board were a all the moderators are atheists and one atheist that is homosexual. People frequently posted pictures, such as women in bikini's, but I once posted an image of one of the famous Italian cathedrals with a naked cherub I believe. LOL. The guy was offended and warned me to stop posting pornographic images on a board with children. I told him it was a painting in a Catholic Church where Catholics bring their children to worship. He didn't care. Mind you he never had any problem with other members posting photos of women in two piece bikinis. LOL.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Chi Zhuzi' timestamp='1286404864' post='2178229']
The attire is not uncommon in Hip Hop culture. I also grew up break dancing and wearing fat shoe laces. What's not common in the Hip Hop world are pompous people attempting to speak like sophisticated aristocrats.[/quote]
What about unsophisticated aristocrats?

I grew up clog dancing.





[quote]There has not been enough study done on the public school system to come up with reliable statistics ...

And no... by stating "with some exceptions" I'm not agreeing with you, as you were implying what the Catholic Church did was a [u]universal[/u] practice. A universal practice would be eating or consuming water and even maybe sex and religion. However, if I criticized Aztec cannibalism, especially in its scope, and someone counters, "No, cannibalism is a human problem," and I respond, "No it isn't, excepted the rare cultures," I'm not agreeing with your two-value system of logic (e.g., either A or B, either right or wrong, either black or white, either everyone does it or no one does it).[/quote]

Statistics are irrelevant. The success of predators relies on the fact that it's human nature to conceal the crime, to not deal with it and to give the predator another chance. Our legal system still does that.

Oh, we're not obeying grammar rules; I get it, now.

[quote]
The notion of "mestizo" and "mulatto" may not exist in American binary perspective, [/quote]
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[quote]What's interesting is I maintain the same position on the Church scandal on this board as I do on any other board, and that being, the media treated the Catholic Church unfairly and the Bishops of the Church handled the sexual abuse problems poorly and disgracefully. Yet, those that are anti-Catholic view my stance as defense for the Catholic Church, and some members on this board view it as an attack on the Catholic Church.[/quote]
I think it's interesting that you don't understand what I'm saying because you're overly sensitive.

[quote]The Church acted disgracefully. And the evidence is in the fact the secular world and non-Catholics had to coerce the hierarchy of the Catholic Church to reform its procedures. [/quote]
Could you highlight the changes in Canon Law for us?



[quote]The Inquisition is enough.[/quote]
Sure, if you want to be inaccurate.


[quote]I did no bragging. I simply pointed out a [u]fact[/u].

For example, it's a fact one of my favorite non-fiction authors, Peter Robb greatly dislikes the Catholic Church. That's a fact. [/quote]

Okay
It's a fact that he's one of your favorites or that he greatly dislikes the Catholic Church?



[quote]Fine. Be that as it may, one ought be careful about suggesting a writer reporting known, frequent, human sexual behaviors has a twisted mind, and ought be careful about inferring what universal object truth is related to the human body and the scope of the human sexual identity. [/quote]
I choose to live on the edge. That guy is a crappy writer and his trannies are poorly written pornography. I'm a daredevil.

[quote]...And every Catholic that eats with a fork and table knife was written off as damned to hell, centuries ago, by more than one Catholic and Protestant preacher. I think even famous Catholic author Dante places one person in one of his levels of hell because the person was guilty of eating with a fork. For everyone knows, the objective and eternal truth is, every good, moral person and Catholic eats with their hands![/quote]
Hang on while I google that.

[quote]One of the published papers I have to read for my philosophy of biology class, would be regarded as pornographic on here too, when it describes certain behaviors (sexual) of female rats, that help prevent them from eating its young. To many in the world, it is not pornographic but merely philosophical literature providing an example in one particular branch of the natural sciences.
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I don't know why you hang with such prudes. If I were you, I would get my best piece of cardboard and run down to the park.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vtIXFxfnfU[/media]

[Chi Zhuzi]

Winchester,

I first came on this site and gave it accolade. The reason is is that I felt it could be a useful tool in converting, or at least drawing many urban and people raised in Hip Hop culture to Catholicism. I still think the man that created this site did a great job. I'm confident God looks with favor on him and hopefully he will continue to guide him and his web board in a right direction most useful to what God thinks may serve him.

And mind you, I'm sure God guides many people, from the Protestant to the person practicing Santeria. I'm not God, I let God be God.

In my opinion the Catholic Church has mounting forces rising against it - critically - and I've never understood why Catholics would quibble over things of rather minute issue. I understand arguments, I understand disagreement and passion for certain things in or outside of Catholicism. I don't really understand the [i]hatred [/i]Catholics have for one another over tiny issues that mean little to nothing ultimately. But people hate. That's one of the things humans have in common. Eastern Orthodox and Catholics slaughtered each other over hatreds.

My main purpose for joining this board was to prick the egos of Catholics and motivate them to take a stand against the Democrats.

Assuming practicing Catholic is contingent on the notion of a person striving to model themselves off of the saints, I see little of that in you. You present yourself with little humility on this site and it appears you use this site to boost your own ego. I don't think I have read a single post of yours anywhere on this website that did not use condescending sarcasm. The majority of young men in my neighborhoods (from 18 to their 40's) have felonies and few have any formal education past high school. My neighborhood has a population of roughly 40,000 people, and my neighborhood certainly isn't the worse story when it comes to that. The vast majority of these young men would not want to join or participate on this website if they read your smart remarks, staring down your nose, at the culture they came from.

Your attitude reminds me of that akin to that Franciscan friar conducting missionary work that set a Pueblo Indian on fire.




But like I said... I have greater interests in Brazil. I'll express my opinion on what I know of the hood being a bona fide member that has paid the price in blood and drug addiction in the hood. If that falls on deaf ears within the nation of Catholicism then so be it. Brazil is a rising nation and has a diversity and culture that appeals deeply to me. And I'm certain God rests happily on the beaches of Rio de Janeiro or in the literature of its famous authors or in Brasilia with President Lula, a former favelado, shoe shine boy, factory worker, union leader, and if I remember correctly, a man that has only 4th grade education. Only in Brazil! In what other nation on earth could a man of that background rise to become the democratically elected President of his nation? It's Lula I look to see God in and its you I see the person known as Satan in.

Pace.

(feel free to respond back with more pompous aristocratic sarcasm)

[Winchester]

[quote name='Chi Zhuzi' timestamp='1286477104' post='2178384']

Your attitude reminds me of that akin to that Franciscan friar conducting missionary work that set a Pueblo Indian on fire.


[/quote]
You think not putting up with your crazy the essence of cow is akin to setting Indians on fire?


Also, Breakin' is one of the greatest movies of all time. For you to denigrate it in this setting is truly the least excusable of all your actions thus far.



Pip, pip, tea, crumpets, cricket, tosh, posh. (That's aristocrat talk.)

Edited October 7, 2010 by Winchester

[MissScripture]

[quote name='Chi Zhuzi' timestamp='1286477104' post='2178384']


My main purpose for joining this board was to prick the egos of Catholics and motivate them to take a stand against the Democrats.

[/quote]
I find it interesting that you came to this site to knock people down a notch, but are offended when they try to do the same to you.

[Winchester]

[quote name='MissScripture' timestamp='1286485736' post='2178401']
I find it interesting that you came to this site to knock people down a notch, but are offended when they try to do the same to you.
[/quote]
I'm offended by your use of the word "try."

[MIKolbe]

well you have been slippin as of late....i mean.. look at your avatar.

[Winchester]

What do you have against Chas?

[Chi Zhuzi]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1286485533' post='2178399']
You think not putting up with your crazy the essence of cow is akin to setting Indians on fire?[/quote]

Yes, you're attitude is like that man.

You are in fact like me: you are not a very good person.

But don't worry, there are many of raised Catholics or even converts to Catholicism that are not good people.

My former professor that has left a deep impression on me, the light skin Haitian that gave up his Catholicism of youth (and I sat through his class listening to no small amounts of criticisms of Christianity and Catholicism) to become a Vodou Priest, now he's a good man. And that's not to say he never employed sarcasm. He did, and very well I think at times, which left me laughing on many occasions. He frequently lectures in Brazil too, and is internationally respected in his field of scholarship. If I can ever one day match his welcome and charity during office hours visits, I'll be all the better for it.

[quote]
Also, Breakin' is one of the greatest movies of all time. For you to denigrate it in this setting is truly the least excusable of all your actions thus far.[/quote]

Unlike you, I used to break dance, and like any soldier on a battle field, I have left blood, heart, and soul on the concretes of "the hood." Your sideline watching, your tourism through the hood, your enjoyment of popular films are not "what's up." I'm "what's up." And that ain't bragging. That's fact. That's "100." That's what we term in the hood, "Real talk." Jennifer Lopez is what's up. Tupac Shakur in all his anger, tattoes, foul mouth, and scarred body from bullet wounds, may he rest in peace, is what's up. And if one is Christian they'll say Jesus is what's up. If you're Catholic, if you came up like me, if you wore a track suit like me, if you're ignorant enough to get hit in the head like me, if you're willing to "stand on this," and look another two or three men in their eyes, then you'll say the Virgin Mary is what's up.

Now that's what's up. Not your vehicular tourism through the hood passing crackheads like me.

What's also "what's up" are people are over this earth that come from different backgrounds and worlds than I do. My story or history is no greater than theirs. The black Protestant preacher impressed with what he regards as my admirable loyalty to the Catholic Church. When he talks to me one on one, man to man, and invites me to join his Protestant nation and his particular church, and to mold me, and give shape to me as he had the former drug addicted black male that introduced me to him. That cat was keeping it 100. And he's what's up. The two white Protestants in a small rural Wisconsin town of around 5,000, one of them a former farmer, the other a former Army Ranger, the charity and openness in those two men, that one would be hard pressed to find in Milwaukee or amongst gritty, sinful, Catholics like myself, that's what's up.


[quote]
Pip, pip, tea, crumpets, cricket, tosh, posh. (That's aristocrat talk.)
[/quote]

No, you're snobbish mouth is, which probably never risked it's chance in a boxing ring, to give you an up close chance to learn more about yourself.

[Chi Zhuzi]

[quote name='MissScripture' timestamp='1286485736' post='2178401']
I find it interesting that you came to this site to knock people down a notch, but are offended when they try to do the same to you.
[/quote]

I recall providing words of encouragement to the woman that posted about her extra-marital affair. Care to point out these post in which I target individuals (besides in this thread, which my words responded in defense and not offense) for ridicule?

What I did do, was attempt to [b][u]goad[/u][/b] Catholics (who are in the millions in the U.S.) to at minimum, [b][u]threaten[/u][/b] to leave or stop voting for Democrats unless that party abandons it's contradictory stance on esteeming Islam and attacking the Catholic Church and faith.

The style and tactic of goading I used is nothing different from what one finds on high school football teams or even in the U.S. Marine Corps. From a stand point of soldiering, it is rather pathetic that a few Muslim men gathered as a crowd overseas can impact and influence the Democratic party more than Catholic Democrats can or even the millions of Catholics in the U.S. that vote and pay taxes. It ought strike Catholic Americans in their bellies. If it doesn't they are merely luke warm for Christ and Mary, and they have nothing to teach me. I can learn more from members of the Aryan Brotherhood or the Muslims or atheists.

And I'm not very formally educated, but I do have enough formal education to no politicians craft speeches to reflect and influence their particular audience. But I'm not a politician, I'm more akin to this former Black Panther and Vietnam vet I heard speaking one day, I speak from my gut and my heart.




Concepts:

[b]Israelite nation

Protestant nation

Catholic nation

Ethnic creole nation

Zulu nation

Gangster Disciples nation

The Brazilian nation


[/b]Humans have differences but lots of similarities. We are tribal and enjoy forming little cliques and saying who can be in and who can't. Even as adults we enjoy the old childhood games -> <- [i]I'm in and he/she is not. [/i]

My major interest is Brazil, not the Catholic nation, because the Brazilian nation as a concept is large enough to encompass all humanity in its diversity: Transsexuals, robbers, poets, prostitutes, soldiers, pacifists, rich, poor, Catholic, Protestant, even U.S. citizens and me and so on. A poor factory worker, with no more than a 4th grade education, that had his finger cut off in a machine, can rise to become the democratically elected President of Brazil. That means I have a place there in that society. Because Brazil can encompass all humanity it ingests cultures and realities and turns out new multicultural products like: Brazilian Jujitsu.

Does Catholicism turn out "Catholic Jujitsu"? No, and even presuming some Catholics began that process, inevitably the self-righteous crowd would gather for their condemnations, asserting "Catholic" and "Jujitsu" are incompatible and must remain clearly separate in identity. Fine. So, Catholics can't be authors like Jorge Amado with his sensual tale in his book [i]War of the Saints[/i]. Only Brazilians can be that and be Catholic too.

I'll give you this, Catholicism was multicultural long before America or Brazil (though some would argue Brazil is not) ever were. True. And it's to the glory of the Catholic Church. As the Jesuits in China were but eventually got bashed by other Catholics. But today America and Brazil have surpassed the Catholic Church as nations (the theology of the invisible nationhood of the Church in purgatory and heaven aside).

And I don't care if transsexualism is a sin or not. The famed Brazilian transsexual will [i]remain Brazilian [/i]even if she were to be excluded from Catholicism, until my dieing breath. Because I help build my nation I'm loyal to, I don't rip it in half. I leave that to "the good Catholic" or Orthodox or the now tens of thousands of Protestant nations.

And no, I'm not patriotic to the United States.

[MithLuin]

Gentle reminder of behavior that is prohibited here:

[quote="phorum guidelines"]PERSONAL ATTACKS - A post or comment that does not relate to the topic, but is specifically meant to upset or criticize another person or group of people.[/quote]

There is no need to get into a shouting match over which of us is the better Christian.


As I understand it, the purpose of this thread was to discuss what is or is not considered pornographic and inappropriate in the Phorum.

Catholics, as a rule, have great respect for marriage, and thus are not comfortable with distortions and perversions of human sexuality. Sadly, such perverse behavior is very much REAL and part of our fallen world. Ignoring this reality would be to turn a blind eye to those who have to deal with it in their lives, but at the same time....graphically describing such actions when there is no need to do so is to offend against chastity.

It is not prudish to object to pornographic content. A naked cherub in religious art is not usually pornographic - mere nudity is not the issue. What is being conveyed (in words or pictures) is the issue - if it reduces human beings to objects of lust rather than persons with dignity deserving of respect, then it is not appropriate.

As the Holy Father Pope John Paul II stated,
[quote]Therefore, in this way the whole sphere of aesthetic experiences is, at the same time, in the area of the ethos of the body. Rightly we must think here too of [b]the necessity of creating a climate favorable to purity.[/b] This climate can be threatened not only in the way in which the relations and society of living men take place, but also in the area of the objectivizations characteristic of works of culture;[b] in the area of social communications, when it is a question of the spoken or written word;[/b] in the area of the image, that is, of representation and vision, both in the traditional meaning of this term and in the modern one. In this way we reach the various fields and products of artistic, plastic and dramatic culture, as also that based on modern audio-visual techniques. In this field, a vast and very differentiated one, we must ask ourselves a question in the light of the ethos of the body, outlined in the analyses made so far on the human body as an object of culture.

[url=http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2TB59.HTM](source)[/url][/quote]

One can discuss scandals without describing all the gory details. Graphic representations of distorted sexual acts encourage people to fantasize about such acts, as sick as that sounds. The pope said not to go there, so....don't go there.




[b]Cross-posted with Chi[/b]

And by the by, what makes you think anyone posting on this forum votes for Democrats in the US? If you've poked your head into any of the political threads here, the vitriol aimed at the Democratic party is clear, for precisely the reason you suggest - the party is no friend to Catholics, particularly on issues like abortion.

The Church's view is that you may come as you are, but you may not [i]stay[/i] that way - the goal of a Christian life is to seek transformation, that we may all grow in holiness. The Church is universal, and all ethnicities and social classes are members.

And I'm a Catholic kendoka, for what that's worth

Edited October 9, 2010 by MithLuin

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Chi Zhuzi' timestamp='1286641226' post='2178766']
Jennifer Lopez is what's up.
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[ardillacid]

[quote name='Chi Zhuzi' timestamp='1286641226' post='2178766']
No, you're snobbish mouth is, which probably never risked it's chance in a boxing ring, to give you an up close chance to learn more about yourself.
[/quote]
That's simply not true. I've boxed Winchester many many times. He is tough and tenacious. For example, a few months back we had a bout that dragged on and on because he wouldn't quit even though I was absolutely pummeling him. After beating him so much I felt sick about it, I called the match. He claimed victory since I quit. Unfortunately, I had to take him to the hospital for broken ribs and internal bleeding. That's how h-core he is.

[Winchester]

[quote name='notardillacid' timestamp='1286645415' post='2178775']
That's simply not true. I've boxed Winchester many many times. He is tough and tenacious. For example, a few months back we had a bout that dragged on and on because he wouldn't quit even though I was absolutely pummeling him. After beating him so much I felt sick about it, I called the match. He claimed victory since I quit. Unfortunately, I had to take him to the hospital for broken ribs and internal bleeding. That's how h-core he is.
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You know I was messing with you. Obviously you stopped out of mercy. I admired that.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Chi Zhuzi' timestamp='1286641226' post='2178766']
Yes, you're attitude is like that man.[/quote]
Well, I heard he had a positive happy go lucky attitude. So thanks.


[quote]You are in fact like me: you are not a very good person.[/quote]
We are nothing alike. I'm good Ash.


[quote]Unlike you, I used to break dance, and like any soldier on a battle field, I have left blood, heart, and soul on the concretes of "the hood." Your sideline watching, your tourism through the hood, your enjoyment of popular films are not "what's up." I'm "what's up." And that ain't bragging. That's fact. That's "100." That's what we term in the hood, "Real talk." Jennifer Lopez is what's up. Tupac Shakur in all his anger, tattoes, foul mouth, and scarred body from bullet wounds, may he rest in peace, is what's up. And if one is Christian they'll say Jesus is what's up. If you're Catholic, if you came up like me, if you wore a track suit like me, if you're ignorant enough to get hit in the head like me, if you're willing to "stand on this," and look another two or three men in their eyes, then you'll say the Virgin Mary is what's up.[/quote]
You lost me at Jennifer Lopez.

Tourism supports 95% of the 'hood, so you should be more appreciative of people like me, touring through your hoods and watching you rapping and

[quote]Now that's what's up. Not your vehicular tourism through the hood passing crackheads like me. [/quote]
I prefer the hot air balloon tourism through the hood. Or a nice carriage ride. I like to wave and the carriage provides me the opportunity. I also toss coins, chocolate bars and cigarettes.

[quote]My former professor that has left a deep impression on me, the light skin Haitian
... black male that introduced me to him. That cat was keeping it 100. And he's what's up. The two white Protestants ...[/quote]
I don't see color.

[quote]No, you're snobbish mouth is, which probably never risked it's chance in a boxing ring, to give you an up close chance to learn more about yourself.
[/quote]
Boxing? That's a holiday in Canadia, right? Let's ask Nihil, he'll know.

I have studied the art of sinanju for many years under Master Chuin.


Addendum(snobby word!): I am kind of hurt that you haven't commented on my use of three (3)! tracksuits.

Edited October 9, 2010 by Winchester

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='notardillacid' timestamp='1286645415' post='2178775']
That's simply not true. I've boxed Winchester many many times. He is tough and tenacious. For example, a few months back we had a bout that dragged on and on because he wouldn't quit even though I was absolutely pummeling him. After beating him so much I felt sick about it, I called the match. He claimed victory since I quit. Unfortunately, I had to take him to the hospital for broken ribs and internal bleeding. That's how h-core he is.
[/quote]

Winchester's trick of getting hopped up on meth before a boxing match is cheating. Don't reward such behavior.

~Sternhauser

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='Chi Zhuzi' timestamp='1285832276' post='2176891']
I'm not a practicing Catholic. I do pray to two particular saints within the Church, and I continue to pray from time to time to Jesus and Mary. Before you find yourself convinced I'm the enemy of Jesus I'd offer the advice to pray to him first.

Once a upon a time a fork was enough to beaver dam a Catholic to hell eternally. Or so the best of Catholics thought. We had Galileo. And we have currently a a wide gap between "logic" and "science" from that of subjective view points of "pornographic language." From the stand point of American Calvinistic Catholic Americans... Italian Catholics excel in artistic pornography. The Conquistadors leave letters being wowed over the bare naked bodies of Tupi women.

Jesus said many things. One of which was to grab swords at the conclusion of his final meal, another gem was that those that will say "Lord, lord..." will find themselves beneath - presumably - people like me.

My real focus or desire is on Brazil. I'm overjoyed hearing the great news about Brazil's rise. Hopefully I can be a part of this emerging greatness, and tell my kids I was there to see those great days.

You misunderstand me. I'd ask you to go before Jesus. He understands me better. No Republican cares for a crackhead like me... yet I would fall on "my sword for the Church" and vote for Republicans over Dem's. Jesus and his mother knows me. You do not.

Statistics are a game. I played that game Osbert summer taking a statistics course. It is true - so far as I know - that 2% roughly, of Catholic clergy molested minors and children. What I find interesting is that you overlooked the other statistical reality. And the statistical reality being, how many victims a [u][b]single[/b][/u] Priest could compile by being moved from one parish to the next. I'll save you the time. [u][b]It is embarrassing.[/b][/u][b] [/b]When a lay Catholic lawyer, defending the Church, forewarned a Bishop, and I paraphrase, "Father... something has to be done, or one day a major lawsuit will be brought against the Church," And the Bishops response was, "I don't think anyone will ever sue the Catholic Church." I'd ask you to go before Jesus before you dam either him or I as in league with Satan to destroy the Church.

I've did minor, personal, reading up on the Catholic sexual abuse scandal, before I ever joined this website. Unlike the recent poll revealing Catholic Americans as some of the least knowledgeable people about their own religion and religion in general, I do know a fair amount. I know enough that Protestant do not cross me lightly. I'd go to Jesus before I'd join force to initiate Inquisition. After all... a sinner like me helped bring [u]two Catholic American women [/u]back to the Catholic Church. I know from the emails (many years ago) they sent me. Currently I have a young Brit who was anti-Catholic become less anti-Catholic toward the Church and the Virgin Mary.

Contrary to what you think, the Bishops of the Church harmed the image and reputation of the Church more than I or the Catholic lay lawyer did.

Do not view silence as the best way - always - to protect the Church.



I let that be known pretty clearly.

Understand... I am not brilliant. What I know are some meager things related to natural science and logic.

From a literary standpoint, what I stated was not that far out, and not that "pornographic

I stated "hair pulling" and used a certain word. That hardly qualifies as the worlds greatest "very descriptive" literature.

I'm tired.................. I can't say much more at the moment.



Peace.


(I'm not here to troll... I'll move on before I get caught up into one of the United States .....)
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I honestly don't know what a single word of this has to do with anything I said.

And for the record I do go to Jesus. I find it hypocritical of you to tell me (how) to pray when you don't even practice the Faith.