Ellenita Posted April 19, 2004 Posted April 19, 2004 This week there will be a programme on TV in the UK which will show an abortion. The 'results' of a seven week and twenty one week abortion will also be shown. The programme has been made by a pro choice person. The bishops have given a very mixed response to the programme being aired on TV, one saying for example, it should not be shown because 'abortion is abhorrent to all catholics', while others apparently think that it could make people more anti abortion. Do you think it should be shown? Would you watch the programme?
Dave Posted April 19, 2004 Posted April 19, 2004 If it's meant to promote abortion, I'd avoid it like the plague. But if it was meant to show that abortion is a heinous crime, then it's not something I'd avoid. Either way, however, it has been said that abortion won't end until mankind actually sees abortion. So regardless of the program's intention, it might just serve to help bring abortion to an end.
Ellenita Posted April 19, 2004 Author Posted April 19, 2004 I don't know that it's meant to promote abortion - the filmmaker has had one herself, but says her views have been challenged since she has had a child. Her father is the chief executive of a family planning organisation. The reviewers who have seen the programme say that the 21 week aborted baby is particularly shocking. There are 184,000 abortions in the UK every year and it's legal up to 24 weeks. The police are currently investigating doctors who carried out an abortion on the ground of the baby having a clef palate. This may result in a change in our law - the case is being brought by a female anglican priest who was herself born with a similar 'disability'.
crusader1234 Posted April 19, 2004 Posted April 19, 2004 Cleft pallets are easily mended. Such neglegent parents! All over a simple surgergy!
willguy Posted April 19, 2004 Posted April 19, 2004 An abortion because of a clef pallate? That's sad.
Paladin D Posted April 19, 2004 Posted April 19, 2004 Abortion on TV... ok... When will we see death sentences on TV?
IcePrincessKRS Posted April 19, 2004 Posted April 19, 2004 Its sad that they are doing that if their purposes are to promote abortion, but hopefully if thats the plan it will backfire on them. People will see the horror of abortion and realize how terribly wrong it is. Pray for the people who will be watching the show! Pray that those who are pro-abortion have a change of heart.
God Conquers Posted April 19, 2004 Posted April 19, 2004 I've heard of this. Pro-life organizations seem to be promoting it. I wouldn't watch it personally, I've seen something like it and think it's gross. My only trepidation would be that the slant put on it would be to promote the acceptance of abortion, saying that we need to get over our "emotional preconceptions" about what an abortion looks like and accept it regardless. To promote that attitude in society is really dangerous.
Fiat_Voluntas_Tua Posted April 19, 2004 Posted April 19, 2004 "It is a poverty that a child must die so you may live as you choose." -Blessed Mother Thersa
God Conquers Posted April 19, 2004 Posted April 19, 2004 wow.... gotta love MamaT. She has some of the simplest, but best insights.
Ellenita Posted April 19, 2004 Author Posted April 19, 2004 [quote]Abortion on TV.....OK.... when will we see death sentences on TV?[/quote] Well apparently the same channel has already shown someone dying, though not as a result of the death sentence as we don't have that in the UK! Thankfully I missed that particular programme - I've witnessed death in real life in my own family, to watch it on a TV would have felt incredibly disrespectful to the person and their family......reality TV gone mad! The issue about the abortion of the baby with a clef palate is an important one as it may result in a change in the law - it's the first time there has been a really significant challenge to the law in the UK. At the moment late abortions are allowed if there is a medical threat to the life of the mother or baby or severe disability. The woman who had this particular abortion argued that clef palate constituted just that and the doctors went along with it. The fact that a woman who had a similar 'disability' is challenging this decision may influence the decision of the police to prosecute the doctors. The programme is likely to reveal statistics on abortion in the UK which will be a shock to some people, for example that a third of all women in the UK will have an abortion. What a wonderful quote from Blessed Mother Teresa - thanks for posting it.
ilovechrist Posted April 19, 2004 Posted April 19, 2004 [quote name='thywillbedone7' date='Apr 18 2004, 11:35 PM'] "It is a poverty that a child must die so you may live as you choose." -Blessed Mother Thersa [/quote] sad but true... i don't think i could stand watching any program like that.. what purpose are they trying to get out of it?
Ellenita Posted April 20, 2004 Author Posted April 20, 2004 For the quote or for the article about the abortion on TV programme?
Norseman82 Posted April 20, 2004 Posted April 20, 2004 Does anyone remember "The Silent Scream" from the 1980s? That too showed a sonogram of an actual abortion.
Dave Posted April 20, 2004 Posted April 20, 2004 [quote name='Norseman82' date='Apr 20 2004, 08:30 AM'] Does anyone remember "The Silent Scream" from the 1980s? That too showed a sonogram of an actual abortion. [/quote] I've heard of it AND seen it. You can view it online, but I can't remember the site.
Ellenita Posted April 22, 2004 Author Posted April 22, 2004 This programme was so disturbing but hopefully because people were forced to confront pictures of aborted babies which have never been allowed on TV in the UK before, it will have had a positive impact. The filmmaker didn't present any religious view - this may well have been a good thing in that many pro choice people often just dismiss the arguments as 'right wing fundamentalism' rather than confronting the facts. Interestingly, one doctor who described himself as pro choice is having a radical re think, certainly about the time scales allowed in the UK, as he is pioneering the use of 3D colour imaging of babies in the womb rather than the black and white scan images we have at the moment. The pictures of babies at 12 weeks were amazing! What was really interesting was the use of the doctors language - he described all of these as 'babies' not as a foetus - I thought that was really important as medical language often de humanises the reality of what is happening. Another doctor was chilling, describing his decision to do abortions as 'protecting the rights of the unwanted baby'. His calm description of how late abortions are carried out reminded me of Nazi doctors describing concentration camp experiments. The pro life person argued that if abortion is legal then showing images of the results of this legal 'surgical procedure' should also be legal. People from pro life organisations have been arrrested for showing them. The final scene in the programme was beautiful - the filmmaker and her new baby in a swimming pool together, but I felt very sad for the little girl who will never know her older brother or sister.... The programme quoted the figure of 47 million abortions world wide every year.
Carrie Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 [quote name='Dave' date='Apr 20 2004, 11:02 AM'] I've heard of it AND seen it. You can view it online, but I can't remember the site. [/quote] I have this on tape somewhere. Priests for Life provided it to me for a project I did. Very sad.
Homestarlover85 Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 [quote name='Ellenita' date='Apr 18 2004, 07:56 PM'] The police are currently investigating doctors who carried out an abortion on the ground of the baby having a clef palate. [/quote] that is one of the saddest things i have heard
luciana Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 here's the link to see it. Dr. Bernard Nathanson is the doctor in the video. He was one of the founders of NARAL and an abortionist and atheist. He has become pro-life and Catholic. [url="http://www.silentscream.org/"]http://www.silentscream.org/[/url] or [url="http://www.abortiontv.com/silentscream.htm"]http://www.abortiontv.com/silentscream.htm[/url]
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