MichaelFilo Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMTm3QRwEc&feature=player_embedded[/media] Full interview [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP_LB_ZhcTA&NR=1[/media] Video about the incident specifically. Evidently she was arrested for a having a backpack and having a number on her hand, as recommended by lawyers in case of arrest. Evidently these were reasons to arrest people at the event. It's easy to write off these people as immature authority haters but does it make it right to use the force of the state against them? When some people lose their liberty, then everyone is in danger of it too. What happens when pro-lifer's get harassed by the police? I wonder what the others will write us off? Crazies? Women-haters?
ardillacid Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 This is the pattern. Other cases are always brought in. These are based off of news reports. There will be no mention of the thousands of uneventful police actions. Only news report versions of police actions. We will then all pretend that the problem is the State and not human nature in general and that if we got rid of police and the State, that everyone would live in harmony. You'll get used to it, but if you're like me you'll still comment once in a while. poo, I forgot something. You are also supposed to disregard any common sense and pretend that everyone who gets tased was simply not complying with bizarre whims of some power-crazed cop.
MichaelFilo Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 I agree, there will never be perfect police, but it is silly to see so many cases arise where there is no punishment. There is a trend here. As the state grows it needs more State enforcers. With an understanding of human nature comes an understanding that granting too much power to any man will lead to consequences that are undesirable, and the police today are raised above the threshold of ordinary citizen and have received quite a few protections from the courts and the state at large.
havok579257 Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 [quote name='MichaelFilo' timestamp='1287494430' post='2180650'] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMTm3QRwEc&feature=player_embedded[/media] Full interview [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP_LB_ZhcTA&NR=1[/media] Video about the incident specifically. Evidently she was arrested for a having a backpack and having a number on her hand, as recommended by lawyers in case of arrest. Evidently these were reasons to arrest people at the event. It's easy to write off these people as immature authority haters but does it make it right to use the force of the state against them? When some people lose their liberty, then everyone is in danger of it too. What happens when pro-lifer's get harassed by the police? I wonder what the others will write us off? Crazies? Women-haters? [/quote] classic case of people twisting the facts to fit their hatred of the police. the report says she was not arrested for the bubbles but for other things. absolutly classic from some people on here. lets twist the facts about someone being arrested for bubbles being blown. classic twisting of the facts. also i love the fact that people can be jerks to the police and nothing is said about that. i guess when it comes to acting christian, well that only applies to the police. bystanders are allowed to be jerks and unchristian right?
Semper Catholic Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1287501739' post='2180685'] classic case of people twisting the facts to fit their hatred of the police. the report says she was not arrested for the bubbles but for other things. absolutly classic from some people on here. lets twist the facts about someone being arrested for bubbles being blown. classic twisting of the facts. also i love the fact that people can be jerks to the police and nothing is said about that. i guess when it comes to acting christian, well that only applies to the police. bystanders are allowed to be jerks and unchristian right? [/quote] Being a meanie is not a reason to arrest someone. As long as you don't harm anyone else you are actually allowed to be a jerk. You might not have many friends, but it's not illegal. And I'm sorry but this girl was not "being a jerk" anyway. It's not a conspiracy theory "Police State" it's just some dumb individual buttpained Cop. For some reason the job tends to attract those high school kids who always told people "hardcore stories" that no one believed. Now this guy is stuck babysitting protestors instead of breaking down doors with SWAT and has his panties in a bunch.
Semper Catholic Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 [quote name='notardillacid' timestamp='1287453733' post='2180588'] Pretty stereotypical childish hippie. Probably thinks freedom means being able to do anything, at anytime, anywhere without any consequences. I remember when I was five years old and liked blowing bubbles in my friends faces to be annoying. Get a job and become a contributing member of society [/quote] LOL and the middle aged man who was shown defending her sure did look like a childish hippie too.
havok579257 Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 [quote name='Semper Catholic' timestamp='1287502864' post='2180691'] Being a meanie is not a reason to arrest someone. As long as you don't harm anyone else you are actually allowed to be a jerk. You might not have many friends, but it's not illegal. And I'm sorry but this girl was not "being a jerk" anyway. It's not a conspiracy theory "Police State" it's just some dumb individual buttpained Cop. For some reason the job tends to attract those high school kids who always told people "hardcore stories" that no one believed. Now this guy is stuck babysitting protestors instead of breaking down doors with SWAT and has his panties in a bunch. [/quote] i never said being a jerk was a reason to be arrested. i simply said on these threads everyone always attacks the cops but never says anything about the unchristian people who are arrested. the people always get a pass for acting unchristian because the cops are evil. she wasn't being a jerk. ok, i guess if i come up to you and blow bubbles right in your face when you have asked me to stop, i am being a nice guy. she had to be asked more than once to stop blowing the bubbles in the cops fcae. but lets just ignore her unchristian actions. lets just give her a pass. cause the pope would so do that to someone when they asked him to stop, right?
havok579257 Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Semper Catholic' timestamp='1287503401' post='2180693'] LOL and the middle aged man who was shown defending her sure did look like a childish hippie too. [/quote] the middle aged man was just trying to start something. the cop never disrespected her with his language, yet the middle aged man tried to start an arguement that the cop was being disrespectful with his language. you can debate the cop complaining about bubbles, but you can not complain that he was showing no respect to the women with his language. Edited October 19, 2010 by havok579257
Semper Catholic Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1287503640' post='2180694'] i never said being a jerk was a reason to be arrested. i simply said on these threads everyone always attacks the cops but never says anything about the unchristian people who are arrested. the people always get a pass for acting unchristian because the cops are evil. she wasn't being a jerk. ok, i guess if i come up to you and blow bubbles right in your face when you have asked me to stop, i am being a nice guy. she had to be asked more than once to stop blowing the bubbles in the cops fcae. but lets just ignore her unchristian actions. lets just give her a pass. cause the pope would so do that to someone when they asked him to stop, right? [/quote] Haha I'm sure the Pope has done things much worse then blowing bubbles, I'm sure we all have. Being in a position of authority means you need to even more aware of your emotions. The police woman standing next to Officer Bubbles was laughing it off, reacting appropriately. Instead Officer Bubbles makes a national fool out of himself. I'm sorry but I'm not going to go around stringing people up for being "unchristian" just because they were being mildly annoying.
Semper Catholic Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1287503781' post='2180697'] the middle aged man was just trying to start something. the cop never disrespected her with his language, yet the middle aged man tried to start an arguement that the cop was being disrespectful with his language. you can debate the cop complaining about bubbles, but you can not complain that he was showing no respect to the women with his language. [/quote] My point was that accusing of her of being a "childish leeching hippie that needs to grow up" wasn't appropriate, especially when you've got some random guy who looks like "Joe Corporate Worker" doing the exact same thing.
havok579257 Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 [quote name='Semper Catholic' timestamp='1287503963' post='2180698'] Haha I'm sure the Pope has done things much worse then blowing bubbles, I'm sure we all have. Being in a position of authority means you need to even more aware of your emotions. The police woman standing next to Officer Bubbles was laughing it off, reacting appropriately. Instead Officer Bubbles makes a national fool out of himself. I'm sorry but I'm not going to go around stringing people up for being "unchristian" just because they were being mildly annoying. [/quote] and once again you completely take things out of context. i never said string the person up, did I? I said why is every person who acts unchristian towards the cops given a free pass in these threads? a person does not get a pass for acting unchristian just becuase she is not a cop. also, show me where the pope was being unchristian to someone, was asked to stop and then kept it up? I await your evidence.
Semper Catholic Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 (edited) [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1287504240' post='2180703'] and once again you completely take things out of context. i never said string the person up, did I? I said why is every person who acts unchristian towards the cops given a free pass in these threads? a person does not get a pass for acting unchristian just becuase she is not a cop. also, show me where the pope was being unchristian to someone, was asked to stop and then kept it up? I await your evidence. [/quote] Lol sorry I didn't mean for you take "stringing them up" literally. I meant saying someone is unchristian for goofing around is not proper. Also, you caught me, I have no hard evidence showing that the Pope acted at one time or another unchristian or childish, I was only relying on the premise that he is a human being. I will flog myself accordingly. Edited October 19, 2010 by Semper Catholic
HisChildForever Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1287501739' post='2180685'] classic case of people twisting the facts to fit their hatred of the police. the report says she was not arrested for the bubbles but for other things. absolutly classic from some people on here. lets twist the facts about someone being arrested for bubbles being blown. classic twisting of the facts. also i love the fact that people can be jerks to the police and nothing is said about that. i guess when it comes to acting christian, well that only applies to the police. bystanders are allowed to be jerks and unchristian right? [/quote] [IMG]http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5352/alanclassic.jpg[/IMG]
MichaelFilo Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 What about the case is out of context. She got arrested for having an number on her hand, having a backpack, and wearing a bandanna. That hardly is a reason to arrest anyone. Beyond that, police, because they are legally permitted to use the force of the state (actual violent force and detaining free people) they must be held up to a great scrutiny. We are very careful what kind of people we make priests because of the powers granted them. The same should apply to those who have the legitimate force of the state in their hands.
KnightofChrist Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 (edited) If I go up and poke a pitbull with a stick and then the dog bites me, should I blame and be mad at the dog? I'm sorry but that is often the case with anarchist protesters. They purposefully do things they know will irritate and interfere with police duties, then cry like babes when their arrested. The protesters at G-whatever summits are often themselves violent, and little things can set off the violence such as blowing bubbles, and then next thing you know the anarchist protesters are rioting. But that is likely the polices fault as well they should be allowed to riot and destroy property. And I'm sorry but we do not live in a Police-State, neither the USA or Canada is a Police-State. It is an [u] grave insult[/u] to those who live and die in actual police states to say that. Nazi Germany was a Police-State, Communist Russia was a Police-State, Communist China is a Police-State, Iran is a Police-State. In those nations if you speak against the government you are murdered, and your families and friends are even murdered. I challenge any anarchist or dimwit who thinks that the USA or Canada is a police-state to go to an actual police-state and say the same things and do the same things you do against the USA or Canada and see how long you last without being murdered or thrown in prison without trial. The fact that those railing against the Police-State in this thread (and the many others like it here) have not been dragged away in the dead of night is evidence that this is not a Police-State. Give me a freaking break. EDT: Anarchists have always been the cause and tool used by Dictators and True Police-States rise of power. Just something for you to chew on. Edited October 19, 2010 by KnightofChrist
HisChildForever Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1287519229' post='2180773'] If I go up and poke a pitbull with a stick and then the dog bites me, should I blame and be mad at the dog? I'm sorry but that is often the case with anarchist protesters. They purposefully do things they know will irritate and interfere with police duties, then cry like babes when their arrested. The protesters at G-whatever summits are often themselves violent, and little things can set off the violence such as blowing bubbles, and then next thing you know the anarchist protesters are rioting. But that is likely the polices fault as well they should be allowed to riot and destroy property. And I'm sorry but we do not live in a Police-State, neither the USA or Canada is a Police-State. It is an [u] grave insult[/u] to those who live and die in actual police states to say that. Nazi Germany was a Police-State, Communist Russia was a Police-State, Communist China is a Police-State, Iran is a Police-State. In those nations if you speak against the government you are murdered, and your families and friends are even murdered. I challenge any anarchist or dimwit who thinks that the USA or Canada is a police-state to go to an actual police-state and say the same things and do the same things you do against the USA or Canada and see how long you last without being murdered or thrown in prison without trial. The fact that those railing against the Police-State in this thread (and the many others like it here) have not been dragged away in the dead of night is evidence that this is not a Police-State. Give me a freaking break. EDT: Anarchists have always been the cause and tool used by Dictators and True Police-States rise of power. Just something for you to chew on. [/quote] You go Glen Coco.
dominicansoul Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1287519229' post='2180773'] EDT: Anarchists have always been the cause and tool used by Dictators and True Police-States rise of power. Just something for you to chew on. [/quote] some Anarchists are very appealing...in personality...and humour....and very mysterious...
KnightofChrist Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 [quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1287519917' post='2180776'] some Anarchists are very appealing...in personality...and humour....and very mysterious... [/quote] I believe Stern is single. May God grant you two many happy years.
dominicansoul Posted October 19, 2010 Posted October 19, 2010 i used to work in law enforcement the guyz could be a bunch of jerks...! BIG EGOS.....[size="7"]BIG![/size] ...that's not to say that ALL in law enforcement are a bunch of jerks... on a side note...officer bubbles is kinda HOT....
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