Salvation

[Ephrem Augustine]

Booo Pelagians!!!
I think somebody needs to teach you how to use the [*"Reply"*] button or the [*"Multiquote'*] button.
[b]YOU[/b] must learn how to quote appropriately on this phorum

[Selah]

SO, let's see:

Works bad.

Jesus is impotent

umm...anything else?

[reyb]

[quote name='crusader1234' date='19 April 2004 - 08:14 PM' timestamp='1082420072' post='169161']
catholiccrusader, why bother posting that? if the quote is good i dont understand the problem. anwyays i receive salavtion through faith in jesus, as well as living out the ten commandments and going to confession and living out the sacraments. communion, etc. i personally find confessino to be the most salvation affirming of anything though.
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[quote name='ironmonk' date='19 April 2004 - 08:18 PM' timestamp='1082420303' post='169179']
Faith and Works bestow Grace.

We are saved because Jesus died for us, and no other.

Faith is a gift from God.
We cannot work our way to Heaven, but doing good works proves that we are living the way Christ wants us to.

[b]St. Matt 16:27[/b] [color=red]For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory, and then [b]he will repay everyone according to his conduct[/b]. [/color]

[b]2 Corin 11:15 [/b]
So it is not strange that his ministers also masquerade as ministers of righteousness. [b]Their end will correspond to their deeds[/b].

[b]Eph 4:8[/b] For [u][b]by grace you have been saved [/b][/u][i][u]through [/u][/i][i][b]faith[/b][/i], and[i][b] this is not from you; it is the gift of God[/b][/i];
[b]9 [/b]it is not from works, so no one may boast.
[b]10 [/b]For we are his handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for the [b]good works [/b]that God has prepared in advance, [b]that we should live in them[/b].


By wanting to do and doing evil works we reject Christ.


I hope that helps explain it better.

Here are some links if not:
[url="http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/entiretoc1.htm"]http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/entiretoc1.htm[/url]
[url="http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt2art4p2.htm"]http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt2art4p2.htm[/url]
[url="http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt2sect1chpt1art2.htm"]http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt2sect1chpt1art2.htm[/url]

[url="http://www.catholic-pages.com/dir/salvation.asp"]http://www.catholic-pages.com/dir/salvation.asp[/url]

That's a start.

God Bless,
ironmonk
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[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='25 April 2010 - 04:11 PM' timestamp='1272226290' post='2099852']
Oh dear.
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[quote name='Apotheoun' date='25 April 2010 - 04:51 PM' timestamp='1272228714' post='2099867']
Look at all the things that you say [b]YOU[/b] must do in order to be saved. Funny, and you accuse Catholics of teaching a form of salvation by human effort and choice.

I especially like your comment, "[b]THE CHOICE IS YOURS [u]ALONE[/u] TO MAKE[/b]," which is perhaps the most Pelagian comment I have ever seen posted here at Phatmass.
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The question is: ‘How do you receive the grace of salvation? Again, the question is – How do you receive...? (if ever you have it).

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='reyb' date='28 April 2010 - 09:44 PM' timestamp='1272509050' post='2101979']
The question is: ‘How do you receive the grace of salvation? Again, the question is – How do you receive...? (if ever you have it).
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Why on earth did you quote me in this?

[reyb]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='28 April 2010 - 11:01 PM' timestamp='1272510073' post='2101987']
Why on earth did you quote me in this?
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Because I want to know 'How do you receive it’ too '. Why? Is there something wrong if ever you will share it?

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='reyb' date='28 April 2010 - 10:11 PM' timestamp='1272510706' post='2101994']
Because I want to know 'How do you receive it’ too '. Why? Is there something wrong if ever you will share it?
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I don't recall offering my own position, actually.

[reyb]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='28 April 2010 - 11:17 PM' timestamp='1272511024' post='2101996']
I don't recall offering my own position, actually.
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Okay.

[Damiano]

*["...Works bad...Jesus is impotent...umm...anything else?"]

***Nah.

Damiano

[Selah]

[quote]***Nah.[/quote]

Are you sure?

[Damiano]

*["You have to stop arguing with yourself about these things."]

***I am not arguing with myself...I am speaking directly to you. What I am telling you is that you are in danger of perishing in Hell for denying that it is by GRACE through FAITH in the Lord Jesus Christ that saves you [Ephesians 2:8-10]. If you could save yourself by works of the Law---then you would not need a Saviour and Christ died in vain.

I ask that you read your Bible and ask God to make it clear to you. The Word of God is the ONLY authority that you should depend on...for it is the ONLY authority INSPIRED by God [2 Timothy 3:16]...everything else are the doctrines of men and NOT inspired.

*["God grant you many joyful years."]

***Likewise to you.

Damiano
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[MIKolbe]

if anything...

i appreciate your diligent use of brackets.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Damiano' date='01 May 2010 - 07:13 AM' timestamp='1272712421' post='2103091']
*["You have to stop arguing with yourself about these things."]

***I am not arguing with myself...I am speaking directly to you. What I am telling you is that you are in danger of perishing in Hell for denying that it is by GRACE through FAITH in the Lord Jesus Christ that saves you [Ephesians 2:8-10]. If you could save yourself by works of the Law---then you would not need a Saviour and Christ died in vain.

I ask that you read your Bible and ask God to make it clear to you. The Word of God is the ONLY authority that you should depend on...for it is the ONLY authority INSPIRED by God [2 Timothy 3:16]...everything else are the doctrines of men and NOT inspired.

*["God grant you many joyful years."]

***Likewise to you.

Damiano
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You need to read a true, whole and full, authentic Bible, the Catholic Bible, not one that has been raped by men, where verses and whole books are thrown out to serve their own agendas...

Try a Douay-Rheims

Also, if you are truly a "Biblical Christian" than you would be Catholic, because without the Catholic Church, you wouldn't even have any Bible to contend with...

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Damiano' date='01 May 2010 - 05:13 AM' timestamp='1272712421' post='2103091']
[quote name='Apotheoun' date='25 April 2010 - 04:39 PM' timestamp='1272235186' post='2099926']
You have to stop arguing with yourself about these things.[/quote]
I am not arguing with myself...I am speaking directly to you. What I am telling you is that you are in danger of perishing in Hell for denying that it is by GRACE through FAITH in the Lord Jesus Christ that saves you [Ephesians 2:8-10]. If you could save yourself by works of the Law---then you would not need a Saviour and Christ died in vain.

I ask that you read your Bible and ask God to make it clear to you. The Word of God is the ONLY authority that you should depend on...for it is the only authority inspired by God [2 Timothy 3:16]...everything else are the doctrines of men and not inspired.

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='25 April 2010 - 04:39 PM' timestamp='1272235186' post='2099926']
God grant you many joyful years.
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Likewise to you.

Damiano[/quote]
Thank you for your concern, but it is misplaced, because I have not asserted a Pelagian position in connection with salvation; while you - on the other hand - have said quite clearly that your salvation is a choice that you [b]alone[/b] make.

As far as reading the Bible is concerned, it is unhealthy to read the sacred text in a Pelagian fashion, because that will not bring about your salvation or the salvation of anyone else for that matter. Finally, I pray that God free you from the religious deception that afflicts your mind (e.g., the heresies of [i]sola scriptura[/i] and Pelagianism), and once freed from those terrible errors . . . that you are given the grace necessary to embrace the fullness of truth that is found only within the Catholic Church.

[missio_redemptoris]

Saved by grace, through faith and works. Yeahhhh James 2.

[Arpy]

[quote name='Damiano' date='01 May 2010 - 04:13 AM' timestamp='1272712421' post='2103091']
The Word of God is the ONLY authority that you should depend on...for it is the ONLY authority INSPIRED by God [2 Timothy 3:16]...everything else are the doctrines of men and NOT inspired.[/quote]
It is inspired by God, but nowhere does the Bible claim to be the [i]only[/i] authority inspired by Him. Also, it was men (specifically the men of the Catholic Church) who put the Bible together. If you don't accept that they were themselves inspired, then the Bible is worth rather a lot less.

[Jesus_lol]

I am glad there are a few noncatholics on this board, me included, who offset the crazy shown in this thread.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='06 May 2010 - 07:50 PM' timestamp='1273132238' post='2105775']
I am glad there are a few noncatholics on this board, me included, who offset the crazy shown in this thread.
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Nah you reinforce it!

[Jesus_lol]

[Apotheoun]

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[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='07 May 2010 - 01:43 AM' timestamp='1273153418' post='2105829']

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Aw, I didn't mean it. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/uploads/av-5180.gif[/img]