Oh Isn't It Wonderful - Elton John And His Husband

[thessalonian]

Why they have a new baby boy. Aren't we all happy for them. TWISTED!

[dominicansoul]

I saw that, and I was thinking..."why does everybody see this as 'normal?'"

[CatherineM]

I hope he's planning to be old, because my dad was 47 when I was born, and he died while I was still in school. I can't imagine having a child in my 60's.

[ThePenciledOne]

I dunno, I guess we are supposed to be happy cause he's a 'good' musician.

[Brother Adam]

Lord Jesus, have mercy on us sinners.

[StMichael]

It is sad and no only those who worship at the altar of secularism or have no foundation in any belief see this as good.

For the child, he or she will amount to no more than a pet, which is saddest of all.

[SaintOfVirtue]

I feel sorry for the kid, but at least Elton John isn't a pro-homosexual marriage proponent. He has actually spoken AGAINST the redefining of marriage. Of course that doesn't make what he is doing right: I wholeheartedly disagree with his actions.

[Semper Catholic]

There are worse things in life then having 2 people who love you, and having not having to worry about money for the rest of your life.

Saying that the kid will amount as "a pet" is idiotic. Be happy that the child has a loving home.

[Hinter dem Horizont]

Well, we're all supposed to "get with the times" right? I mean, that's what the Atheists are saying. Yes, let's all agree with disbelievers. I mean, it's all LOVE right? It doesn't matter that marriage and correct love is defined as being between man and woman. Living is about doing whatever the hell we want *sarcasm*

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[rachael]

[quote name='StMichael' timestamp='1293566263' post='2194807']
It is sad and no only those who worship at the altar of secularism or have no foundation in any belief see this as good.

[b]For the child, he or she will amount to no more than a pet, which is saddest of all.[/b]
[/quote]
This attitude disgusts me. You may not agree with their politics, beliefs, or way of life, but how can you say this about their child?

Edited December 28, 2010 by rachael

[Semper Catholic]

[quote name='Hinter dem Horizont' timestamp='1293576353' post='2194830']
Well, we're all supposed to "get with the times" right? I mean, that's what the Atheists are saying. Yes, let's all agree with disbelievers. I mean, it's all LOVE right? It doesn't matter that marriage and correct love is defined as being between man and woman. Living is about doing whatever the hell we want *sarcasm*

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Correct love? Didn't know there was such a thing. The Bible doesn't preach against homosexuality it preaches against "acting on homosexuality." (obviously Elton is acting on his, but that's not my point).

You can certainly love another man without being in moral peril.

[dominicansoul]

how many men have you adopted kids with, Semper?

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='Semper Catholic' timestamp='1293577856' post='2194836']
You can certainly love another man without being in moral peril.
[/quote]

Obviously, we do have brothers & fathers.

[Dscherck]

One thing that I've found from being a father for all of two years is how much it changes you for the better. While obviously we can disagree on his views regarding homosexuality and many other subjects, I think rather we should pray that the Lord will use the bond between him and the baby to help him change his life for the better. Perhaps this child will one day help Elton John come to know the Lord.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Semper Catholic' timestamp='1293577856' post='2194836']
Correct love? Didn't know there was such a thing.

You can certainly love another man without being in moral peril.
[/quote]


There is the rodney kinglove, can't we all just get along and live and let live but does not get to the soul. There is the love that cares for the whole person including the soul which may have to speak truth that causes pain and anger. The love that says "you are not loving your partner in those homosexual acts you call love". In reality you are correct there is only one type of love but the world only understands the other.

[Ice_nine]

I read that the child was born of a surrogate mother so that takes away the familiar "at least the child is not dying of starvation/AIDS in some faraway mystical African land" or something like that BUT you know, there are many children that are born into less than ideal situations, even many that are born from heterosexual married couples. Yes having two men or two women to raise a child/children is not ideal but neither is a child born into extreme poverty, abuse, or anything like that. At the very least one could look at this new child and be thankful that he will most likely be taken care of and loved, which is a good thing.

Bemoaning the takeover of teh gayz is just hacking at the branches of a much deeper problem don't you think?

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='Ice_nine' timestamp='1293605679' post='2194881']
Bemoaning the takeover of the gays is just hacking at the branches of a much deeper problem don't you think?
[/quote]

This is gold.

[Lil Red]

no one has a 'right' to a child. this is what happens when you introduce contraception into society. people think that they can decide best for themselves when a child is appropriate in their lives, thus relegating a child to be seen not as a gift, but a right. it's just another celebrity trend of single women, and gays, and single men, having a child without a spouse and a stable home to raise children in. (and of course, we don't want any 'sticky' problems by adopting a handicapped child, or an older child, so we must create a new child).

the problem didn't start with teh gayz. it started with the introduction of contraception, and was spurred on by no-fault divorce.

(sorry if my logic isn't clear, it's 12:30 a.m. and my brain is firing on short circuits.)

[Semper Catholic]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1293607635' post='2194888']
no one has a 'right' to a child. this is what happens when you introduce contraception into society. people think that they can decide best for themselves when a child is appropriate in their lives, thus relegating a child to be seen not as a gift, but a right. it's just another celebrity trend of single women, and gays, and single men, having a child without a spouse and a stable home to raise children in. (and of course, we don't want any 'sticky' problems by adopting a handicapped child, or an older child, so we must create a new child).

the problem didn't start with teh gayz. it started with the introduction of contraception, and was spurred on by no-fault divorce.

(sorry if my logic isn't clear, it's 12:30 a.m. and my brain is firing on short circuits.)
[/quote]

I don't see a problem here. Yeah everyone gets mad when Brangelina brings home another Ethiopian baby, but other then it being a little socially cringing, there's nothing wrong with it. Kid will probably have a great life and a loving home.

There's no problem here, seeing as statistically it's been shown the child won't be anymore inclined to homosexual tendencies as straight children.

Blaming (a lack of a) problem on contraception is disingenuous, as there are plenty of married, straight, Catholic couples who purposefully try to have a baby at any point using NFP or on the flipside by refraining from intercourse until they are ready to have a child.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='StMichael' timestamp='1293566263' post='2194807']

For the child, he or she will amount to no more than a pet, which is saddest of all.
[/quote]

This is pretty judgemental, and completely wrong. I bet it makes you feel good to assume that other groups of people are so far below you that they are not even capable of loving a child like you can.

newsflash, you can totally love your children, if you love your spouse or not. hell, you can love your children if they are adopted, if you no longer love their mother/father/your spouse, heck you can even love your children if you are a single parent or a widow. Love for a child you are raising does not have to pass through a SO before it gets to the child, it takes a much more direct route.

[quote name='rachael' timestamp='1293576439' post='2194832']
This attitude disgusts me. You may not agree with their politics, beliefs, or way of life, but how can you say this about their child?
[/quote]

agreed.