Worship

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295240831' post='2200922']
You are still on that because I mocked you - and that is exactly where this is coming from. I couldn't care less about what you think of my faith, but you still want to hide behind the words of a forum than admit you were upset that I mocked you for such unwise words to say.

Anyways, it's off topic.

Though I believe anybody can be deceived, there are certain litmus tests one can apply to see if someone is being influenced by Satan. One of those is, does that person misuse the word of God to cause fear in people. KoC has said that my worship is vile before God, and that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church, for which I reject his ideas because that's not what Christ ever said. I brushed off one of his quotes of people who were church fathers (two of which happened after the Protestant reformation - I wonder if they had an axe to grind and any selfish motive to say what they said as they saw people leaving the catholic church because they didn't like what Popes and Bishops were doing) as - I'll take Religious people who disagreed with Jesus for 100 Alex!
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I say your worship of God is improper, and that it can only be perfected within the bosom of Holy Mother Church. There can be different degrees in just how displeased God can be with false worship. But in the end only one is true.

I also reject the Protestant rebellion, it was of division and of Satan's spirit. The worse of what happened in view of Sacred Scripture was the butchering of it, taking out Sacred Books, and purposely mistranslating passages. And basing that unholy act on a council of the Jews, that was held AFTER Our Blessed Lord ascended into Heaven, a council which also REJECTED the divinity of Christ.

Anyway if someone has a improper understanding of God, and their worship is based on that improper understanding so to will their worship be improper. Surely you can agree if someone believes that God is our mother and worships Him as a mother that such worship would be improper and perhaps even vile. Or someone that denies the humanity of our Blessed Lord, someone who thinks He just came down from Heaven without being born of a virgin, and has the head of some beast instead of a man. Surely you can agree if someone believes that is God that they would worship God falsely, and God would find such worship vile.

Edited January 17, 2011 by KnightofChrist

[Cam42]

[quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295239745' post='2200916']
I'm not going to teach anybody about how to rightly divide the word of God, which is the mark of a believer, but you are applying those scriptures on me - and that simply shows how much you don't understand scripture because of your traditions.

if you want to say that you are shaking the dust off your feet because I don't accept your faith, and that means, in your logic, that it is better for Sodom and Gomorrha than for me, than you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Like I said before Cam, lets us agree to allow the Lord judge between your walk and my walk on the day of judgment - and see which one was lead by the spirit and which one wasn't.

Jesus sings a much different tune than you, and I reject the Christ you are preaching because is it not the Christ that the apostles preached.
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So, just so we're clear, you can't justify your interpretation? You can't tell me who's authority you're making your assertations from? Interesting. And since you reject the Christ I am preaching, how do you come to that interpretation? Clearly, it cannot be based upon Scripture, because Sacred Tradition, supported by Sacred Scripture justifies my interpretations. Not my own flawed understanding of an English translation of the Bible. Unless of course you're coming from the original Greek, in that case:

[quote]εἰς ἣν δ' ἂν πόλιν ἢ κώμην εἰσέλθητε, ἐξετάσατε τίς ἐν αὐτῇ ἄξιός ἐστιν: κἀκεῖ μείνατε ἕως ἂν ἐξέλθητε εἰσερχόμενοι δὲ εἰς τὴν οἰκίαν ἀσπάσασθε αὐτήν καὶ ἐὰν μὲν ᾖ ἡ οἰκία ἀξία, ἐλθάτω ἡ εἰρήνη ὑμῶν ἐπ' αὐτήν: ἐὰν δὲ μὴ ᾖ ἀξία, ἡ εἰρήνη ὑμῶν πρὸς ὑμᾶς ἐπιστραφήτω καὶ ὃς ἂν μὴ δέξηται ὑμᾶς μηδὲ ἀκούσῃ τοὺς λόγους ὑμῶν, ἐξερχόμενοι ἔξω τῆς οἰκίας ἢ τῆς πόλεως ἐκείνης ἐκτινάξατε τὸν κονιορτὸν τῶν ποδῶν ὑμῶν[/quote]

or if you'd rather have it in Latin:

[quote]in quamcumque civitatem aut castellum intraveritis interrogate quis in ea dignus sit et ibi manete donec exeatis intrantes autem in domum salutate eam et siquidem fuerit domus digna veniat pax vestra super eam si autem non fuerit digna pax vestra ad vos revertat et quicumque non receperit vos neque audierit sermones vestros exeuntes foras de domo vel de civitate excutite pulverem de pedibus vestris [/quote]

I know my Scripture. I spent way too much time in college not to know this stuff, so I'm pretty sure that whatever language you want to discuss this in I can. So far though, your English translation isn't doing so hot...because you can't even tell me how you're basing your interpretation.

Btw, there in nothing that I have said that is at odds with Sacred Scripture. Not one thing.

[rkwright]

While I agree with all the authority arguments, I'm still patiently waiting for someone to actually respond to his interpretation or use of the scripture.

What does the authority actually say in regards to this scripture?

[MarkKurallSchuenemann]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1295241740' post='2200932']
I say your worship of God is improper, and that it can only be perfected within the bosom of Holy Mother Church. There can be different degrees in just how displeased God can be with false worship. But in the end only one is true.[/quote]

And so let the Lord judge between my worship and your worship on the day of judgment. Peace brother.

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1295241740' post='2200932']
I also reject the Protestant rebellion, it was of division and of Satan's spirit. The worse of what happened in view of Sacred Scripture was the butchering of it, taking out Sacred Books, and purposely mistranslating passages. And basing that unholy act on a council of the Jews, that was held AFTER Our Blessed Lord ascended into Heaven, a council which also REJECTED the divinity of Christ.[/quote]

Yes, some did, but the Protestant reformation (not rebellions to be squashed - but honest people who didn't agree with some of the things the Catholic Church was doing and had done in the past) was based upon people saying, they no longer represent Christ, so I don't want to have anything to do with them.

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1295241740' post='2200932']
Anyway if someone has a improper understanding of God, and their worship is based on that improper understanding so to will their worship be improper. Surely you can agree if someone believes that God is our mother and worships Him as a mother that such worship would be improper and perhaps even vile. Or someone that denies the humanity of our Blessed Lord, someone who thinks He just came down from Heaven without being born of a virgin, and has the head of some beast instead of a man. Surely you can agree if someone believes that is God that they would worship God falsely, and God would find such worship vile.
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I love your logic and your ever present attempt to try to look at love logically. I don't think God cares how we serve him, just as long as we do so by respecting the truths of the Bible.

[quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1295241999' post='2200935']
So, just so we're clear, you can't justify your interpretation? You can't tell me who's authority you're making your assertations from? Interesting. And since you reject the Christ I am preaching, how do you come to that interpretation? Clearly, it cannot be based upon Scripture, because Sacred Tradition, supported by Sacred Scripture justifies my interpretations. Not my own flawed understanding of an English translation of the Bible. Unless of course you're coming from the original Greek, in that case:[/quote]

A wicked generation seeks signs and explanations.

I am going to give you a choice on where my authority is coming from :

You can choose to say that my authority comes from the holy spirit, and say, well mine comes from the holy spirit as well, so which one of us is right and which one of us is wrong.

Or you can choose to say my authority comes only from myself, and then you can say, well mine comes from the holy spirit, so you are wrong because sacred tradition says you are wrong, and you can shake the dust off your shoes like you did.


[quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1295241999' post='2200935']
or if you'd rather have it in Latin:

I know my Scripture. I spent way too much time in college not to know this stuff, so I'm pretty sure that whatever language you want to discuss this in I can. So far though, your English translation isn't doing so hot...because you can't even tell me how you're basing your interpretation.

Btw, there in nothing that I have said that is at odds with Sacred Scripture. Not one thing.
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You are a very educated man, congratulations.

[quote name='HisChildForever' timestamp='1295241681' post='2200928']
Oh, no fear here bro.
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There are some people who are afraid right now, but it is my purpose to help bolster the faith of people here on Jesus.

But by your own words, your traditions reject what Jesus said, and I choose to reject your traditions because they don't agree with Jesus, and if I ever went back on what Jesus said and say - Lord I know how you say that all people who follow you are for you and for me, but you are wrong because my priest and pope tells me you are wrong, so I must tell those awful protestants for not accepting the church you made. If I had to live that lie, I would want God to strike me down for my wickedness. I will not be a backslider!

[quote name='rkwright' timestamp='1295242361' post='2200937']
While I agree with all the authority arguments, I'm still patiently waiting for someone to actually respond to his interpretation or use of the scripture.

What does the authority actually say in regards to this scripture?
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Good man. I would also like to see them show me the scriptures saying that I am wrong about anybody who trusts in Christ are not for him or others who believe in Christ.

They use old generic arguments simply because they don't want to accept Christ's truth - that it doesn't matter to him! I feel sorry for them, because they are doing this - and I'm not the wall, Christ is the wall that is the stumbling block for them.

Edited January 17, 2011 by MarkKurallSchuenemann

[rkwright]

Here is Catholic Commentary on those scriptures...

For Luke

[quote]Ver. 49. We forbade him. St. John having the most love for his Lord, and being particularly beloved by him, thought all were to be excluded from these gifts, who were not obedient to his divine Master. (St. Augustine) --- But we must remember, that not the minister is the author of these miracles, but the grace which is in him, who performs these wonders by virtue of the power of Christ. (St. Cyril) --- How wonderful is the power of Christ, who by his grace works miracles in the persons of the unworthy, and those that are not disciples; as men are sanctified by the priest, though the priest should not be in the state of grace! (Theophylactus)

Ver. 50. Forbid him not. Our Lord is not moved by this event, to teach us that perfect virtue entertains no thoughts of revenge, and that anger cannot be found where the fulness of charity reigns. The weak must not be driven away, but assisted. Let the breast of the religious man be ever unmoved by passion, and the mind of the generous undisturbed by desires of revenge. (St. Ambrose)[/quote]

For Mark

[quote]Ver. 37. Who followeth not us, in that special manner, as Christ's apostles did. (Witham)[/quote]

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295242930' post='2200941']
There are some people who are afraid right now, but it is my purpose to help bolster the faith of people here on Jesus.

But by your own words, your traditions reject what Jesus said, and I choose to reject your traditions because they don't agree with Jesus, and if I ever went back on what Jesus said and say - Lord I know how you say that all people who follow you are for you and for me, but you are wrong because my priest and pope tells me you are wrong, so I must tell those awful protestants for not accepting the church you made. If I had to live that lie, I would want God to strike me down for my wickedness. I will not be a backslider!
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Whether you become Catholic or not is a choice you alone can make. But please, read what we (Catholics) explain about the Church with an objective eye. It has already been explained to you - if not here then elsewhere on the forum, I am sure of it - that Jesus Christ established the Catholic Church; it has already been explained to you that there is a concise and historical lineage of Popes from Peter to Benedict XVI. You do not have to believe us or believe in the Church, as stated that is your prerogative, but do not twist around what the Church teaches to fit your agenda of [i]Sola Scriptura[/i]. Thank you.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295242930' post='2200941']
And so let the Lord judge between my worship and your worship on the day of judgment. Peace brother.[/quote]

It is not judging. Christ through His Church teaches that in the Church alone is true worship found. You by your own words stand outside of that ark. I am not judging you I am giving you warning that only within the Church of Christ can you or any give true worship to God, so that you will come into this ark and be saved from the floods.


[quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295242930' post='2200941']Yes, some did, but the Protestant reformation (not rebellions to be squashed - but honest people who didn't agree with some of the things the Catholic Church was doing and had done in the past) was based upon people saying, they no longer represent Christ, so I don't want to have anything to do with them.[/quote]

I didn't say they should be 'squashed' but only that they were rebellious, which they of course were. 'Honest' people cannot disagree with the Bride of Christ, Son of the Living God.


[quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295242930' post='2200941']I love your logic and your ever present attempt to try to look at love logically. I don't think God cares how we serve him, just as long as we do so by respecting the truths of the Bible.[/quote]

God cares very much indeed how we serve Him, Christ is not a kitten, He is not a hippie dippie good time rock'n roller. He is the King of Heaven. Also I don't think there can be full and true respect the truths of the Bible if it is one that is gutted of whole books and mistranslated passages.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1295219880' post='2200822']
How do you know? Would you care to expound upon your personal knowledge of Christ's thoughts?
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God speaks to us in a variety of ways, through Scripture, the Church, events and quite often [u]through people[/u]. He does not discriminate about who he uses to spread the word, he calls on all people to serve him! He only requires that they have faith and trust and sincerity. No need of a degree in theology or a high standing. If you ask for Jesus help with sincerity and faith in him then he even sometimes answers directly in various ways, but of course he only tells you what concerns you, he does not give information beyond your station. 'though you are you and I am I, yet we are one, one Christ!'

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1295243751' post='2200945']
Christ through His Church teaches that in the Church alone is true worship found.
[/quote]
What you write is a true statement but your interpretation is wrong. (We've been through this on another thread!) It does not mean that one has to attend a Catholic Church. The Church says that since Jesus founded the Church for the purpose of his continued ministry that when someone serves Jesus they must logically be serving the catholic (universal) church which is the body of Christ. To serve Jesus is not about knowing all the ins and outs of the rules like a Pharisee. It is actually living the two commandments and all the requirements that that discipline requires. People can be of another denomination or even another religion or they may even be searching, but if they are living by what their conscience dictates then they are living in Christ and if you live in Christ he will live in you. And if you do this then you are a member of the body of Christ which is the Universal Catholic Church. And you may not even be consciously aware of it!

[quote][url="http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0512fea3.asp"]Since God intends (plans, wills) that every human being should go to heaven, doesn’t the Church’s teaching greatly restrict the scope of God’s redemption? Does the Church mean—as Protestants and (I suspect) many Catholics believe—that only members of the Catholic Church can be saved?

That is what a priest in Boston, Fr. Leonard Feeney, S.J., began teaching in the 1940s. His bishop and the Vatican tried to convince him that his interpretation of the Church’s teaching was wrong. He so persisted in his error that he was finally excommunicated, but by God’s mercy, he was reconciled to the Church before he died in 1978.[/url][/quote]

Havn't time now but there's more on the Vatican website in support of this.

[Mark of the Cross]

[url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/audiences/alpha/data/aud19950531en.html"]Vatican website[/url]
[quote]For those too who through no fault of their own do not know Christ and are not recognized as Christians, the divine plan has provided a way of salvation. As we read in the Council's Decree Ad Gentes, we believe that "God in ways known to himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel" to the faith necessary for salvation (AG 7). Certainly, the condition "inculpably ignorant" cannot be verified nor weighed by human evaluation, but must be left to the divine judgment alone. For this reason, the Council states in the Constitution Gaudium et Spes that in the heart of every man of good will, "Grace works in an unseen way.... The Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery"[/quote]

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295220894' post='2200824']
Sure.

[sup][/sup]

And -




And considering



Considering Christ is the same yesterday, when he said to the apostles - that person who also calls out on my name to perform miracles, who teaches and loves me who isn't part of your group pleases me and is for me, then he also has the same attitude today - or scripture is wrong, and will always have that attitude.

So Christ disagrees with his stand that you must be a Catholic to please God - you only have to believe in and trust Jesus Christ!
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As I've mentioned before, I don't think this means to let another persist in error, or to keep from teaching another the full Truth. As we see in Acts, when Aquila & Priscilla take aside Apollos to teach him the full Truth, we do not treat those who don't have the full Truth as enemies, but neither do we let them persist without knowing the full Truth. Aquila & Priscilla didn't stop Apollos from preaching (as the Apostles were questioning stopping another from working miracles, only to have Jesus tell them not to stop him), but they take him aside and instruct him. Since Paul mentions Apollos then instructing and baptising others, we can see that he was in full communion with the Church after this point.

God bless

[MarkKurallSchuenemann]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' timestamp='1295263674' post='2200973']
As I've mentioned before, I don't think this means to let another persist in error, or to keep from teaching another the full Truth. As we see in Acts, when Aquila & Priscilla take aside Apollos to teach him the full Truth, we do not treat those who don't have the full Truth as enemies, but neither do we let them persist without knowing the full Truth. Aquila & Priscilla didn't stop Apollos from preaching (as the Apostles were questioning stopping another from working miracles, only to have Jesus tell them not to stop him), but they take him aside and instruct him. Since Paul mentions Apollos then instructing and baptising others, we can see that he was in full communion with the Church after this point.

God bless
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First, I wasn't really commenting on whether or not you should do that. I respect your decisions on the spiritual path you have chosen, and any person who loves Christ and people will do their best to show people if they are in error in their eyes. That comes from the caring part.

But KoC shows no charity whatsoever, and Cam, for all of his logic and his well educated thoughts, also shows a lot of arrogance. These are sins, as God says he hates evil, and pride is one of those things he hates. Look at their posts, and read how 'right they are', and how 'stupid and vile' I am because I don't agree with them. Great fruits for a believer!

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295272962' post='2200982']
First, I wasn't really commenting on whether or not you should do that. I respect your decisions on the spiritual path you have chosen, and any person who loves Christ and people will do their best to show people if they are in error in their eyes. That comes from the caring part.

But KoC shows no charity whatsoever, and Cam, for all of his logic and his well educated thoughts, also shows a lot of arrogance. These are sins, as God says he hates evil, and pride is one of those things he hates. Look at their posts, and read how 'right they are', and how 'stupid and vile' I am because I don't agree with them. Great fruits for a believer!
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Unfortunately it can be difficult to get the proper tone across in writing. I know I'm often guilty of this, and sometimes come across sounding harsher than I intend. KoC and I haven't always agreed in the past, because there were times I thought he came across too strong, but I know him a little better now. That being said, I do not see Cam and him saying that you are "stupid and vile" (if I've missed that, please forgive me). I would not say that they necessarily lack charity, for true charity does not gloss over error, but corrects because of love, and I know how much KoC and Cam love the Church Jesus has given us. It is not loving to allow another to persist in heresy without providing correction. Because of our beliefs that only the Church has the fullness of truth, charity requires that we teach this to others, as Jesus commands in the Great Commission.

God bless

Edited January 17, 2011 by Archaeology cat

[Socrates]

[quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1295236044' post='2200903']
Those are Jesus' words...so by your logic, it is Jesus who's using the scare tactics....

And you still haven't addressed the validity of your interpretation...how can I trust your interpretation over that of 2000 years of consistent teaching?
[/quote]
Get with it, Cam!

Everyone knows we're only to pay attention to the words of Christ when we deem them acceptably meek and mild, politically correct, ecumenical, and non-judgmental.
Everything else He said is outdated and irrelevant. Didn't you get the memo?

[Socrates]

[quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295272962' post='2200982']
But KoC shows no charity whatsoever, and Cam, for all of his logic and his well educated thoughts, also shows a lot of arrogance. These are sins, as God says he hates evil, and pride is one of those things he hates.
[/quote]
I thought you said in the "Elton John" thread that you were against judging others' behavior.

[Ed Normile]

The scripture that MKS attributes to proof of Christs words denouncing KoC's stance, am I missing something or are they the words of the apostles, distraught about a man who was casting out demons and not following them, this man not rejecting Christ nor was that man rejecting or denouncing the Apostles authority, and definetly not rejecting the authority His Church, so I can not see how this is relevant to the topic. If the Apostles would have said, Jesus he said we were not valid Apostles, or he said your Church or her representatives are the instrument of the devil spreading lies and false practises,and then Jesus replied as He did , that would be a different story.

One thing though, judging by the posted quote of MKS that started this thread, MKS is sure proud of his works.

ed

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1295287677' post='2201033']
Get with it, Cam!

Everyone knows we're only to pay attention to the words of Christ when we deem them acceptably meek and mild, politically correct, ecumenical, and non-judgmental.
Everything else He said is outdated and irrelevant. Didn't you get the memo?
[/quote]

The true path is somewhere between your left eye and your right eye, socs! Keep them [b]both open[/b] or you will veer off the path.

This
[quote name='Archaeology cat' timestamp='1295274090' post='2200987']
, for true charity does not gloss over error, but corrects [b]because of love[/b], and I know how much KoC and Cam love the Church Jesus has given us. It is not loving to allow another to persist in heresy without providing correction. Because of our beliefs that only the Church has the fullness of truth, charity requires that we teach this to others, as Jesus commands in the Great Commission.

God bless
[/quote]
Yes

I'm sure KFC, Cam and Soc do this, it just doesn't always come across that they are doing it with love.

Edited January 17, 2011 by Mark of the Cross

[Cam42]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1295294630' post='2201074']
Yes

I'm sure KFC, Cam and Soc do this, it just doesn't always come across that they are doing it with love.
[/quote]

I write in a straightforward style. If you would like to know how I inflect with speech, there are several videos of me having a conversation with a priest in the SkeWWW it on the BBQ. That is how I speak to everyone...

I will not change my writing style, which cannot convey proper emotion and I don't pretend, nor have I ever pretended that it does.

[MarkKurallSchuenemann]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1295288703' post='2201047']
distraught about a man who was casting out demons and not following them, [/quote]

Exactly what you are doing right now. You want me to follow what you follow, and are practically saying, you shouldn't unless your a Catholic.

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1295288703' post='2201047']
this man not rejecting Christ nor was that man rejecting or denouncing the Apostles authority, and definetly not rejecting the authority His Church, so I can not see how this is relevant to the topic. [/quote]

And neither am I. Therefore, if I am just like the man that the Apostles were distraught about, who tried to prevent him from following Christ that man's way, not their way, then Christ would say what I do isn't vile to KoC, because I am for Christ and for all of you.

These scriptures were put in the Bible, purposefully - because God knew there would be a protestant reformation - and to say to all of his people in all different religions devoted to his son - don't be distraught enough to prevent everybody from following my son in any way they decide to do so!

Edited January 18, 2011 by MarkKurallSchuenemann

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295242930' post='2200941']
A wicked generation seeks signs and explanations.

I am going to give you a choice on where my authority is coming from :

You can choose to say that my authority comes from the holy spirit, and say, well mine comes from the holy spirit as well, so which one of us is right and which one of us is wrong.

Or you can choose to say my authority comes only from myself, and then you can say, well mine comes from the holy spirit, so you are wrong because sacred tradition says you are wrong, and you can shake the dust off your shoes like you did.
[/quote]

You still are not addressing Cam42's question, and if that means you simply do not have an answer, that is fine, but own up to it. No one is going to think less of you for doing so.

If it makes it easier to simplify his question we can do that -

Baptists believe that the Lord's Supper is symbolic only and justify their belief using John 6 (etc).
Catholics believe that the Lord's Supper is sacramental and He is truly present in the Eucharist and justify their belief using John 6 (etc).

Various denominations all believe different things about Communion, all of them use scripture to justify their beliefs. Clearly this many supposedly right interpretations is contrary to God's will, isn't it?

Who is right? If they are both right or if you cannot know which one is right, then is God the author of confusion? If one is wrong, by what authority do you declare one or the other wrong.

[MarkKurallSchuenemann]

[quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1295314868' post='2201186']
You still are not addressing Cam42's question, and if that means you simply do not have an answer, that is fine, but own up to it. No one is going to think less of you for doing so.

If it makes it easier to simplify his question we can do that -

Baptists believe that the Lord's Supper is symbolic only and justify their belief using John 6 (etc).
Catholics believe that the Lord's Supper is sacramental and He is truly present in the Eucharist and justify their belief using John 6 (etc).

Various denominations all believe different things about Communion, all of them use scripture to justify their beliefs. Clearly this many supposedly right interpretations is contrary to God's will, isn't it?

Who is right? If they are both right or if you cannot know which one is right, then is God the author of confusion? If one is wrong, by what authority do you declare one or the other wrong.
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I'm not talking about those doctrines.

What I am saying is that God made sure certain scriptures were put in place to say, no person who worships his son, who trusts his son, and performs miracles in his son's name is any different than any other person who worships his son, who trusts his son, and performs miracles in his son's name - because he knew there would be this kind of confusion towards the end.

I'll be honest with you, when the Anti-Christ comes to attack all followers of Christ because he denies the God of his father, do you think he will care if one of us in Baptist, and another one is Catholic, or another is a bible-based relationship person? He will not see the difference either - because he is purely evil.

Everybody here is basically doing this , and it isn't because of me, it is because none of you can wrap your spirits around that fact God said, there will be division in paths, but if they are all about his son, that's okay - don't get too caught up in that, they are for his son, and for all of you.