AudreyGrace Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='infinitelord1' timestamp='1296446534' post='2206921'] How do we know that there are more Non-Catholic Christian ministers and pastors have been found guilty of child molestation than Catholic clergy? [/quote] I think this article sheds some light on the issue of the prevalence of child molesters in other non-Catholic denominations: [url="http://www.bilerico.com/2010/04/the_other_shoe_child_molesting_by_non-catholic_cle.php"]The Other Shoe: Child Molesting by Non-Catholic Clergy[/url] It also touches on the theoretical "link" between homosexuality and pedophilia. Additional information regarding child sex abuse cases can be found online. The reason that Catholic numbers are the easiest statistic to find is because the media keeps a special eye on the Church. With some digging around, you'll find the truth.
MithLuin Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Based on documented cases, we're around 2%, both within the Catholic priesthood and within the general population. The difference being that some of the priests had many, many victims and it all came out at once. That's for child/teen molestation. Statistics in this area are notoriously inaccurate, anyway. As far as SSA goes, those statistics will vary regionally. Some seminaries were...well known...for catering to that lifestyle, so much so that straight men who were called to the priesthood did not follow through on their vocation because they couldn't put up with it. I could easily see someone in one of those dioceses reaching the conclusion that 50% of priests are gay....but it's simply not true across the board. As far as I know, those statistics are not available, but currently you do have to check off whether or not you are attracted to men or women on your application to seminary. So, someone could come up with a percentage of seminary applicants who admit to being homosexual, and a percentage of those admitted who had checked that box in recent years. But to my knowledge, no one has done that study. If you can't live celibately, you really aren't ready to apply for seminary.
Ice_nine Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Can someone tell me what "homosexual tendencies" are? I'm absolutely serious.
MithLuin Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Sexual attraction to members of the same sex. Not necessarily [i]acting[/i] on such attraction. Sexual orientation is a bit of a spectrum/continuum, so most people aren't 100% heterosexual/homosexual anyway. Presumably, a person could have mild attractions to members of the same sex, which would not be the same as deep-seated SSA.
Socrates Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 According to the John Jay report, 81% of the abuse by priests involved boys, rather than girls, so I think it safe to say that a disproportionate amount of the sexual abuse was indeed homosexual in nature. (Ebophilia, or attraction to adolescent boys, is a sub-set of homosexuality, and is distinct from true pedophilia, sex with pre-pubescent children, often little girls.) I'd say there are currently probably too many homosexuals in the priesthood, though I think the 50% figure is nonsense. Most of the good priests I've known are manly "straight" types. There's also a lot of false accusations going on in the abuse scandal, and the reputations of good priests have been tainted. That said, men seriously struggling with homosexuality or any other serious sexual issues do not belong in the priesthood. Priests should be be men possessing healthy, fully-formed masculine identities, who can truly fulfill the role of spiritual fathers.
MIKolbe Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1296497212' post='2207043'] I'd say there are currently probably too many homosexuals in the priesthood...[/quote] probably? how many is just the right amount? lol
Socrates Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1296497846' post='2207052'] probably? how many is just the right amount? lol [/quote] Ideally none. Though I realize you're trolling me.
MIKolbe Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 I just thought that answer was interesting. lol love you, bro.
Mark of the Cross Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1296497212' post='2207043'] Most of the good priests I've known are manly "straight" types. [/quote] How do you know? Yes, I'm trolling you!
dUSt Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1296499016' post='2207066'] love you, bro. [/quote] SSA?
Nihil Obstat Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [img]http://eatmindfood.webs.com/wm-ss-fat-guy.jpg[/img]
Nihil Obstat Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1296502997' post='2207118'] i bet that hamburger's good... [/quote] Past experience makes this rather likely.
Nihil Obstat Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1296503120' post='2207122'] that would be some massive precedence. [/quote] Massive is right.
Mark of the Cross Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [img]http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss282/mho_owen/phatcat.jpg?t=1296509122[/img]
Socrates Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='AudreyGrace' timestamp='1296449440' post='2206925'] I think this article sheds some light on the issue of the prevalence of child molesters in other non-Catholic denominations: [url="http://www.bilerico.com/2010/04/the_other_shoe_child_molesting_by_non-catholic_cle.php"]The Other Shoe: Child Molesting by Non-Catholic Clergy[/url] It also touches on the theoretical "link" between homosexuality and pedophilia. Additional information regarding child sex abuse cases can be found online. The reason that Catholic numbers are the easiest statistic to find is because the media keeps a special eye on the Church. With some digging around, you'll find the truth. [/quote] I've seen other secular sources confirming that sexual abuse is as high or higher among protestant ministers than it is among Catholic priests. While that liberal op-ed piece confirms this fact, I disagree with its blaming "homophobia" for the media's obsession with singling out the Catholic Church on this issue. I think the singling out the Catholic Church for demonization has a lot more to do with anti-Catholicism than it has to do with an "anti-gay" agenda. Especially as much of the media obsession over Catholic sex crimes has been on the part of secular "mainstream" liberal media outlets which tend to overall be quite friendly to "gay rights" and similar "progessive" causes, which typically go out of their way to disassociate priestly "pedophilia" from homosexuality. Many are quick to blame the abuse on priestly celibacy - as if the discipline of celibacy somehow drives otherwise normal men to abuse altar boys - which is total nonsense. Unfortunately, there is a lot of anti-Catholicism in this country, among both protestants and secularist liberals, and there's a lot of folks who are absolutely delighted to have anything they can use to tear down the Church's reputation.
infinitelord1 Posted February 1, 2011 Author Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1296509167' post='2207168'] [img]http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss282/mho_owen/phatcat.jpg?t=1296509122[/img] [/quote] Geez...the cat on the left must be 30 lbs.
CatherineM Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1296516748' post='2207212'] I've seen other secular sources confirming that sexual abuse is as high or higher among protestant ministers than it is among Catholic priests. While that liberal op-ed piece confirms this fact, I disagree with its blaming "homophobia" for the media's obsession with singling out the Catholic Church on this issue. I think the singling out the Catholic Church for demonization has a lot more to do with anti-Catholicism than it has to do with an "anti-gay" agenda. Especially as much of the media obsession over Catholic sex crimes has been on the part of secular "mainstream" liberal media outlets which tend to overall be quite friendly to "gay rights" and similar "progessive" causes, which typically go out of their way to disassociate priestly "pedophilia" from homosexuality. Many are quick to blame the abuse on priestly celibacy - as if the discipline of celibacy somehow drives otherwise normal men to abuse altar boys - which is total nonsense. Unfortunately, there is a lot of anti-Catholicism in this country, among both protestants and secularist liberals, and there's a lot of folks who are absolutely delighted to have anything they can use to tear down the Church's reputation. [/quote] Another reason is money. If a Protestant minister is abusive, you can only sue the local church. If it is a Catholic priest, you can sue their diocese or order, and all the way to Rome. Deep pockets make lawyers all sweaty.
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