dairygirl4u2c Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 why do ya suppose that the catholic church, or anything catholic related really, except Jesus as a being of light, isn't mentioned in near death experiences much if at all? www.nderf.org www.near-death.com arguably the closest one gets is that 'religion doesn't really matter', which could mean the cc as a religion doesn't matter, ultimately one's heart is what matters even as the CC might teach, the CC doesn't count as a 'religion' etc. is it cause things of faith are best achieved by just that, faith, and something too objective telling us about the next life is messing it up, and so not all the secrets are given? you'd think it'd be mentioned more if it's what it says it is. the being of light and references to Jesus are mentioned a lot.
CatherineM Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 I didn't see Jesus. I did hear my father's voice. Maybe you only see Jesus if you aren't going to "wake up."
Sarah147 Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Watch this: [url="http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/SW94v1"]http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/SW94v1 [/url] So powerful and beautiful.
Sarah147 Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) [quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1296439546' post='2206875'] I didn't see Jesus. I did hear my father's voice. Maybe you only see Jesus if you aren't going to "wake up." [/quote] You had a near death experience? Father? Do you mean your earthly Dad or God the Father? There is an EWTN program "Mother Angelica Live" and an episode called "A Priest Experiences Judgement" with Father Steven Scheier. Tape V238 He talks about dying in mortal sin, as I recall, and he heard both Jesus and the Blessed Virgin talking, and then he was sent back to live. Assuming it is all true and not in his head... It seems common to just hear, but not see God. I think because you have to be a total purified Saint to be able to have the Beautific Vision -- Heaven, seeing God face-to-face. It's just not possible. Most are probably on their way to Purgatory, where you can't behold God fully. I believe it was the Diary of Saint Faustina that says Jesus said He asks everyone just before they die if they want to choose Him or reject Him. He gives everyone a last chance. Edited January 31, 2011 by JoyfulLife
CatherineM Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='JoyfulLife' timestamp='1296440812' post='2206884'] You had a near death experience? Father? Do you mean your earthly Dad or God the Father? [/quote] My Dad. As I was losing consciousnesses, I know I heard his voice. He'd been dead many years, but I hadn't forgotten the sound of his voice.
Guest Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='JoyfulLife' timestamp='1296440812' post='2206884'] I believe it was the Diary of Saint Faustina that says Jesus said He asks everyone just before they die if they want to choose Him or reject Him. He gives everyone a last chance. [/quote] Really ?
Guest Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='JoyfulLife' timestamp='1296440812' post='2206884'] I believe it was the Diary of Saint Faustina that says Jesus said He asks everyone just before they die if they want to choose Him or reject Him. He gives everyone a last chance. [/quote] Really ?
infinitelord1 Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1296443121' post='2206900'] My Dad. As I was losing consciousnesses, I know I heard his voice. He'd been dead many years, but I hadn't forgotten the sound of his voice. [/quote] Cool.
Sarah147 Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1296443632' post='2206904'] Really ? [/quote] Have a read over this article [size="2"]"Is There a 'One Last Chance' to be Saved?" [url="http://thedivinemercy.org/news/story.php?NID=2565"]http://thedivinemercy.org/news/story.php?NID=2565[/url] You know, the first time I heard that, I thought, "thank God, if something ever happened to my soul, I'd just turn and make it to eternal salvation." But the problem is... everyone CHOOSES where they want to go. Why on earth would someone CHOOSE hell, the place where Saint Teresa of Avila said the worst suffering is the despair (because you are without God)....forever! The problem is the people get ATTACHED to sin, and it gets harder and harder to break from it. It clouds your mind so you cannot see God clearly, and realize this amesome, wonderful, all-loving God that you can have forever, and enjoy with loved ones and Saints in Heaven. When your mind is all messed up, your decision can go for Hell, because you don't want to let go of sin. Choosing sin over God, means Hell, if it's mortal. It's scary, and that's why it is sooo important to strive for holiness, breaking attachments to sin, fighting pride which is the leader of sins. I fear for those in the mentality of "I'll change in my older years/deathbed." You hope and think you can, but once you are so attached and set in your ways/hardened, even when God asks you, you could easily ask for Hell. Scary.[/size]
Sarah147 Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) [quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1296443121' post='2206900'] My Dad. As I was losing consciousnesses, I know I heard his voice. He'd been dead many years, but I hadn't forgotten the sound of his voice. [/quote] Wow. Did he say anything of significance? I know the loved one I would love to hear at my passing... The one that would give me such comfort, peace, joy and love. Edited January 31, 2011 by JoyfulLife
Papist Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) [font="Arial"][size="2"]Christ did not come to establish a religion. However, he did establish a Church. So I think your question is not sound if I must hold religion and Jesus as synonymous.[/size][/font] Edited January 31, 2011 by Papist
CatherineM Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='JoyfulLife' timestamp='1296495384' post='2207028'] Wow. Did he say anything of significance? I know the loved one I would love to hear at my passing... The one that would give me such comfort, peace, joy and love. [/quote] As I was being hurt, I was trying to say the Hail Mary, but could only remember the first line. I heard my father finish it for me.
Mark of the Cross Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='JoyfulLife' timestamp='1296440812' post='2206884'] I believe it was the [b]Diary[/b] of Saint Faustina that says Jesus said He asks everyone just before they die if they want to choose Him or reject Him. He gives everyone a last chance. [/quote] LOL I read that as [b]Dairy[/b]. Been trawling too many of dairies posts I guess. Just deserves!
Mark of the Cross Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1296439546' post='2206875'] I didn't see Jesus. I did hear my father's voice. Maybe you only see Jesus if you aren't going to "wake up." [/quote] Not so! A man who was attacked with a machete in East Timor saw Jesus standing beside him. He recovered, I think! Must have! How else could he have told it.
Sarah147 Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) [quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1296501511' post='2207095'] As I was being hurt, I was trying to say the Hail Mary, but could only remember the first line. I heard my father finish it for me. [/quote] They say our loved ones in Purgatory have powerful prayers for us. Though he could be in Heaven, who knows... That is so a w esome. You two were very close, I take it? Curious, was he praying it very meditatively, slowly, lovingly, earnestly? Edited January 31, 2011 by JoyfulLife
CatherineM Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='JoyfulLife' timestamp='1296513036' post='2207197'] They say our loved ones in Purgatory have powerful prayers for us. Though he could be in Heaven, who knows... That is so a w esome. You two were very close, I take it? Curious, was he praying it very meditatively, slowly, lovingly, earnestly? [/quote] It was in Gaelic actually. That's how he said the rosary. It was warm and familiar and comforting. I still miss him everyday.
thessalonian Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 The ones I have heard of including the one posted above do not seem to have reached a point of illumination or where they have been judged completely.
Sarah147 Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) If you are looking for that, you'd have to refer to the Saints that had dreams or visions or visits from those on the other side. I've read that those in Purgatory are visited by the Blessed Virgin and receive much comfort from her. I have not heard of them seeing Jesus, but not to say it doesn't happen, which I don't know. There was a story of a Saint that asked God to let a soul in Hell have an experience of Heaven and Jesus; it was granted and they couldn't bare it; they ended up begging to be put back in Hell. Edited February 1, 2011 by JoyfulLife
Mark of the Cross Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='JoyfulLife' timestamp='1296523368' post='2207255'] If you are looking for that, you'd have to refer to the Saints that had dreams or visions or visits from those on the other side. I've read that those in Purgatory are visited by the Blessed Virgin and receive much comfort from her. I have not heard of them seeing Jesus, but not to say it doesn't happen, which I don't know. There was a story of a Saint that asked God to let a soul in Hell have an experience of Heaven and Jesus; it was granted and they couldn't bare it; they ended up begging to be put back in Hell. [/quote] The soul must have been a real weirdo troll, poor soul! Hard to imagine anything other than satan being that screwed up.
Sarah147 Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1296556251' post='2207359'] The soul must have been a real weirdo troll, poor soul! Hard to imagine anything other than satan being that screwed up. [/quote] Just imagine the horror of standing before our a w esome, Holy, perfect, loving God...and looking so filthy and dirty, and unlike God. The embarassment, shame, horror, regret, etc. must have been awful. And also to experience what you rejected and will be without F O R E V E R. The pain of that choice but be agonizing! The constant reminder that you could have had all of this... I think the best they can do is to try to totally forget God, forget all they missed out on, all so the pain won't be as bad. I would think it would lessen the despair they suffer. They say it is the mercy of God that souls can go to Hell; He respects their freewill, and that's where they choose to be.
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