Birth Control For Bad Situations?

[Mickey's_Girl]

Good call, PedroX. I agree with the Church on birth control, but like you said, God's laws work best when they're all working together. All of your points were well spoken.

And if the woman isn't Catholic [or did I miss that?], how can we possibly expect her to follow the Church's teachings? That makes no sense. And if the man is selfish enough not to care what she thinks, then he's definitely too selfish to make NFP an option. NFP is doable only when both parties believe in it (or so my mother tells me!).

MG

[Norseman82]

I was in a discussion on another board (http://www.cycleforums.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=55065) with someone who used birth control pills for cramps (no, she's not married and I don't believe she's sexually active). Needless to say, the discussion became very heated and was closed. What do you say to people who are prescribed birth control pills or similar hormones for other medical reasons?

[cmotherofpirl]

Instead of finding out what is really wrong with a woman, docters prescribe the pill to "regulate" periods. I think its bad medical practice and not healthy for the woman. However, this is not the same as tasking the pill to avoid having children.

[Ellenita]

Cmom is right, it's very bad medical practice. Who knows what kind of problems might result from taking the pill even with a supposed 'low dosage' to help period cramps? It's known that taking the pill long term can severely affect the woman's ability to conceive if she later decides she wants children for example. There are also other side effects from long term usage......and there are lots of natural remedies you can do to help with period cramps.....

[PedroX]

Norse,

Doctors and women (of which I am neither) have told me that in 99% of those cases another remedy exists for the problem. The problem is that the woman often must ask the Dr. for another option. That being said, I don't think its much of a moral problem for a single woman to take the pill. However, Drs. tell me that a woman should be off the pill for 6 months before trying to become pregant. This is to avoid the chance of birth defects caused by lingering horomones from the pill.

peace...

[Sojourner]

PedroX,
I've heard the same things you have; also, another issue to take into consideration is that many women are unable to become pregnant for a time after having been on birth control -- another reason to avoid the stuff like the plague even if you are a single.

I'm not the most health-conscious person in the world, but to take something that deliberately messes with the works and could have permanent unknown affects scares me.

For issues such as cramps and irregularity, I know there are several natural remedies. And there's always Advil.

[voiciblanche]

I don't think that is even something to think twice about. If she can't afford to feed her kids, she doesn't have more. Simple as that.

[God Conquers]

haha, wouldn't the world be better if it were as simple as that!?

Unfortunately, the husband also figures into the equation in this instance, and given the place and attitudes, he may not like enforced abstinence on the part of his wife.

[voiciblanche]

[quote name='God Conquers' date='Apr 23 2004, 08:17 PM'] haha, wouldn't the world be better if it were as simple as that!?

Unfortunately, the husband also figures into the equation in this instance, and given the place and attitudes, he may not like enforced abstinence on the part of his wife. [/quote]
::big, long sigh::

Yeah, I know.

I'm telling you, the guy should just lay off the poor girl. For one thing, it's not like she's breaking her marriage vows; she's already pro-created three times. Secondly, it's not as if she just was like, "Honey, no more kids." They can't feed them! You don't have kids that you can't afford to feed. That would be the simple part, right?

[jmjtina]

Birth Control is murder.

Usually a third world country will get birth control and abortions before they get food, medical care and pre-natal care.

The factors aren't just "in this situation". There are other factors as well. It is NEVER right to accept murdering a child b/c of what the circumstances may be after they are born.

Dr.'s NEVER tell you the options. It's always "Let me perscribe the pill for you" baloney. It's a money thing. :angry:

Peace and God Bless.

[crusader1234]

[quote]The girl's husband said she must have another child, so did her mother-in- law.[/quote]

... seems like the husband and mother in law are both going to force her to have grandkids. maybe you studied the religions and sure it is the 21ST (not 20th) century.... but if you ever watch link tv yu would know what its like there. arranged marriages do occur, and as it seems in this situation, the husband and mother in law are in total control.

the girl is faced with the options,

be raped and possibly die in childbirth
take birth control secretly

again with that quote... she has no option to abstain. based on what i have seen and heard (a close friend is sikh, a family friend is hindu, and i watch link tv because it fascinates me) she would be at the mercy of her family. they dont seem to have mercy. therefore, you are condemning her to probable death.

while the idea of martyring one's self is nice, many of us would not have the courage to be raped and possibly die for jesus at the moment.

do you realize that india is a far different country than the us and canada? The wife has a 1% chance probably of having a husband who supports her in her wishes for abstinence. agian... read the quote.

this marriage (based on the whole mother in law involvement) is most likely arranged. this means the wife is subjected to the husbands will. rid yourselves of any romantic ideas abuot her putting her foot down, or her abstaining, or her getting lucky. he will continue to have sex with her and theres not much she can do aside from leave the relationship which probably isnt an option.

[Hazilloe]

[quote name='Matty_boy' date='Apr 22 2004, 12:01 AM'] i think the woman needs to stick to her guns. her soul is way more important than her husbands sex drive. NFP is the way to go. Contraception makes abortion necessary because contraception dictates a lack of openness to life. thus when a woman gets pregnant and is on birth control, she is more open to abortion because of that lack of openness to life. plaus, the abstaining from sex is an exercise in restraint for the purpose of love for your spouse. it builds a stronger bond. [/quote]
life is a competition for strategic resources.

animals kill animals all the time.

maybe "life" should be more open to "life" before humans are.

[CreepyCrawler]

maybe humans should try and set the example and then life will follow our lead!

[voiciblanche]

[quote name='Hazilloe' date='Apr 25 2004, 12:33 AM'] maybe "life" should be more open to "life" before humans are. [/quote]
"Life" is hard to explain in the way you are using it, but generally life itself, as a noun, is a gift from the Lord. A gift of the Lord will always allow life. Never does He take away innocent life, or really any life at all.

Those not open to life will tear the world apart piece by piece until they realize that we own nothing - not even our own life. If we don't own our own lives, what makes us think we can own the lives of others?

[CreepyCrawler]

you're assuming humans are mere animals and nothing more. then why do we have the space program, medical research, and art? it's all a waste because it doesn't further our darwinian 'fitness' (which is reproducing as much as possible). actually the pro-lifers are more in line with darwinian fitness than pro-aborts, if you want to get technical and all 'survival of the fittest.'
if life is a competition for resources, the U.S is winning but we're shooting ourselves in the foot by allowing immigration, neonatal care in hospitals, and charities to function in this country.
maybe you're right that life is harsh, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and be compassionate and support the dignity of other humans. i think that's what separates the humans from 'mere' animals.

[Matty_boy]

Ghandi also quit having relations with his wife because he said that bodily pleasure distracts the soul. He wasn't just against birth control, he was against sex.

[Matty_boy]

Also, whoever started this forum asked the question "What do we think about it". I can't believe any of the people in this forum are saying anything other than what the Catholic faith teaches. Maria Goretti was killed because she wouldn't be raped. She stuck to her guns even though she knew it would get her killed. It was that sacred to her. Don't play this "her husband says she has to...she could get raped blah blah blah" because it makes the woman out to be the bad guy, and ignores the fact that the husband would be a complete $^!@# to rape his wife. It makes the woman in the situation compromise on her morals because if she doesn't, bad things will happen. That's what the Catholic Church is all about. Getting dumped on and taking it for the team! It happens to all of us all the time, at work, school, in the media and movies, art.

[crusader1234]

hey matty boy its called a bad situation because its a bd situation and the husband is an [expletive deleted]. the husband would rape her and shes not going to be able to get out of this. its called a bad situation because it is one... so her choices are get raped, get murdered, get excommunicated, get divorced, or take birth control.

[littleflower+JMJ]

birth conrol is [b]bad[/b] and [b]evil.[/b]


not only will it mess up her health, but kill her unborn children.

and won't solve anything. :shame:


lets pray for her.

[CreepyCrawler]

[quote name='Matty_boy' date='Apr 26 2004, 09:14 PM'] Ghandi also quit having relations with his wife because he said that bodily pleasure distracts the soul. He wasn't just against birth control, he was against sex. [/quote]
he wasn't against sex but he wasn't catholic either. so i'm sure his motives weren't exactly in line with catholic moral theology. it would be a mistake to say that just b/c he stopped sexual relations with his wife (and his wife agreed, too) that he was against it. read his autobiography, it's a bit more complex than u think. i just mentioned that b/c a lot of indians look up to gandhi and they consider him one of the greatest hindus to ever live (which is true, in my opinion) and if HE thought that artificial birth control was evil, i'm sure you could make the case other hindus.


hey is the girl in this hypothetical situation catholic? is she aware of catholic moral teaching? just curious....