Neocatechumenal Way

[cmaD2006]

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1304123386' post='2234835']
I was tongue in cheek. There is no Spanish mass. It is Spanish-speaking mass....which for some reason is synonomous with guitar foolishness.
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Sorry but I didn't get the joke ... and it wasn't funny. And sorry -- but culturally it is accepted to have the guitar. It is not foolishness. Again -- I think we can agree to disagree.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='cmariadiaz' timestamp='1304137374' post='2234933']
Ok -- we agree to disagree .
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Indeed.

[Luigi]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1304100913' post='2234678']
If the choice is between guitar and no instruments, I'd go with no instruments 110 times out of 100.
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But then, you're not Spanish.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Luigi' timestamp='1304137666' post='2234937']
But then, you're not Spanish.
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Neither is the Church.

[Luigi]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1304103022' post='2234692']
That is sad for them.
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No, really it's not. It's sad for you, so you [i]think [/i]it's sad for them.

[kafka]

concerning guitar use in liturgical music:

Psalms (word of God, inspired by God, written by God)

{32:2} Confess to the Lord [b]with stringed instruments[/b]; sing psalms to him with the psaltery, the instrument of ten strings.
{32:3} Sing to him a new song. Sing psalms to him skillfully, with loud exclamation.

{91:2} It is good to confess to the Lord and to sing psalms to your name, O Most High:
{91:3} to announce your mercy in the morning, and your truth throughout the night,
{91:4} upon the ten strings, upon the psaltery, with a canticle, upon [b]stringed instruments[/b].

{150:3} Praise him with the sound of the trumpet. Praise him with psaltery and [b]stringed instrument[/b].
{150:4} Praise him with timbrel and choir. Praise him [b]with strings[/b]and organ.

Also David praised God with a harp. A harp is similar to a guitar. There is nothing wrong with reverently using a guitar to accompany music at the Mass. To deny this would be to deny what is revealed in Scripture.

Edited April 30, 2011 by kafka

[Luigi]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1304137719' post='2234938']
Neither is the Church.
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The Church [i]is[/i] Spanish - and Roman, and French, and Irish, and every other culture that contributes to the people of God. I don't remember Jesus saying that people had to accept a particular culture to be saved, only that they had to believe in a particular savior to be saved ... BTW, that savior wasn't Roman, or even European, and definitely not medieval or Renaissance.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Luigi' timestamp='1304137805' post='2234940']
No, really it's not. It's sad for you, so you [i]think [/i]it's sad for them.
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If you say so.

[quote name='Luigi' timestamp='1304138160' post='2234944']
The Church [i]is[/i] Spanish - and Roman, and French, and Irish, and every other culture that contributes to the people of God. I don't remember Jesus saying that people had to accept a particular culture to be saved, only that they had to believe in a particular savior to be saved ... BTW, that savior wasn't Roman, or even European, and definitely not medieval or Renaissance.
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I never implied that Jesus was Roman or medieval or Renaissance. Dunno where you're getting that from. The Church is none of the above either. Gregorian Chant is the music of our Church in a way that no other music is or possibly can be, no matter how many years go by and how many cultural music styles march through our choir lofts.
The Church is none of these cultures because the Church transcends the cultures of earth. All cultures must be subservient to the Church. Not the other way around.

Edited April 30, 2011 by Nihil Obstat