U.s. Religious Knowledge Survey

[havok579257]

[quote name='stevil' timestamp='1304882188' post='2238767']
For me, I feel it is important to understand other people of the world and respect them.
Respect and tolerance is a good thing, we can't simply walk around avoiding people who are different.
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i can respect a person who is islamic without studying in depth their religion. just because i know the persons religion is wrong does not mean i don't respect them as a person.

[Mercy me]

15 of 15

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='philothea' timestamp='1304835686' post='2238641']
I don't know... I think it's important to at least consider the basis of other religious beliefs. Do you actually [i]believe[/i] in your own religion if the only reason you follow it is that you have never known anything else?
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I agree, a very long time ago when I was a freshman in college I took a course called " Religions East and West", we hada women come speak who was hindu, this women had been raised a Christian and converted to Hinduism, anyway a student asked her about the Hindu concept of the 5 forms of god vs the Christian concept of the Trinity.... She sould not answer becuase she did not know what the Trinity was. She had been a Christian for 22 years of her life and did not know about the Trinity! When I asked her why she would have converted to another relgion without knowing anything about the one she had been raised in, I got a vague answer about not finding it fulfilling. ( plus a nasty look from my professor).

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' timestamp='1304954031' post='2239072']( plus a nasty look from my professor).[/quote]
lol.

[MagiDragon]

15/15 Although I'm not sure if I'd have gotten more than 12 if I had to fill in the blank.

[quote name='Don John of Austria' timestamp='1304954031' post='2239072']
When I asked her why she would have converted to another relgion without knowing anything about the one she had been raised in, I got a vague answer about not finding it fulfilling. ( plus a nasty look from my professor).
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That's hilarious.

Honestly, I'm surprised that the Catholics did as well as they did on the Bible . . . unless there wasn't any chapter/verse stuff in there. I can tell you that most of my fellow students at the Catholic schools I went to for 12 years would have no idea about most religious stuff. There was definitely more Gaia preaching going on and it was more heartfelt than anything the teachers did on Christianity.

Peace,
Joe

[cooterhein]

[quote name='stevil' timestamp='1304738455' post='2238275']
I'm new to this forum, this doesn't really seem the right place to post this as its not really a debate, but I noticed a similar type of topic with regards to respective IQs. Sorry if it has already been posted on this forum, I did a search but couldn't find it. It was a bit of an eye opener to me, read into it what you will, I'm just posting because I thought it was surprising.[/quote]I'm not surprised at all about atheists doing so well on world religions. They need really good reasons to decline invitations to any religious group; they don't have the luxury of taking the easy way out. And by "the easy way," I mean the oft-used comparison to counterfeit money. If you just get really familiar with your own faith, you don't really have to know the details about the other ones- you easily recognize a counterfeit because you know the "genuine article" so well. It's a decent analogy, but if you put it into practice, an unfortunate side effect is that you won't score very well on quizzes concerning world religions.

I'm not all that surprised about the difference between Evangelicals and Catholics, either- or the difference between "message board" Catholics and Catholics on the whole, for that matter. A ton of Catholics are non-practicing Catholics, or perhaps they're Catholic only in the sense that they were baptized Catholic as a baby. Evangelicals generally aren't called Evangelicals unless they're actually practicing to some degree, so that probably brings their overall numbers down some by comparison, but they're quality numbers where everyone in the group is practicing and everyone who's practicing is in the group. As for the difference between forum Catholics and Catholics at large, non-practicing Catholics don't care enough about religion to spend any time on it in real life, so why would they create an avatar that acts like it cares online.

[stevil]

I'm not sure if this is a silly suggestion but based on the following from the report on the survey
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More than four-in-ten Catholics in the United States (45%) do not know that their church teaches that the bread and wine used in Communion do not merely symbolize but actually become the body and blood of Christ.
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Couldn't this be proven by testing the contents of several people's stomachs after Eucharist. If the results showed the same DNA then that would be JC's DNA. Game, set and match!

[Winchester]

Just try asking them about magnets, though.

[Amppax]

[quote name='stevil' timestamp='1305110194' post='2240013']
I'm not sure if this is a silly suggestion but based on the following from the report on the survey

Couldn't this be proven by testing the contents of several people's stomachs after Eucharist. If the results showed the same DNA then that would be JC's DNA. Game, set and match!
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Here is a link about a famous Eucharistic miracle: [url="http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html"]http://www.therealpr...r/lanciano.html[/url]

*edit: more stuff

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharistic_miracle"]http://en.wikipedia....aristic_miracle[/url]

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation"]http://en.wikipedia....nsubstantiation[/url]

Edited May 11, 2011 by Amppax

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='stevil' timestamp='1305110194' post='2240013']
I'm not sure if this is a silly suggestion but based on the following from the report on the survey

Couldn't this be proven by testing the contents of several people's stomachs after Eucharist. If the results showed the same DNA then that would be JC's DNA. Game, set and match!
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Under our beliefs, generally no, with the exception of miraculous cases. We consider the physical "accidents" (the philosophical term) to remain unchanged in a normal scenario. The DNA or lack thereof would be one of those physical accidents, so it would test to be normal bread or wine.

[stevil]

[quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1305118176' post='2240023']
Here is a link about a famous Eucharistic miracle: [url="http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html"]http://www.therealpr...r/lanciano.html[/url]

*edit: more stuff

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharistic_miracle"]http://en.wikipedia....aristic_miracle[/url]

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation"]http://en.wikipedia....nsubstantiation[/url]
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Thanks for priving the links Amppax and the ones on the other thread about not ordaining Women.

So in this case "famous Eucharistic miracle", have they thought of taking a DNA sample? If other blood or body parts, especially if another heart turns up somewhere with the same DNA, that would be pretty compelling.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='stevil' timestamp='1305183604' post='2240411']
So in this case "famous Eucharistic miracle", have they thought of taking a DNA sample? If other blood or body parts, especially if another heart turns up somewhere with the same DNA, that would be pretty compelling.
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I'm not sure if they've done DNA testing, but I know that all or the vast majority of the purported Eucharistic miracles share the same blood type.

[MithLuin]

Yes, AB+ blood, which is not the most common (though hardly 'rare' either). At least, that's the blood type of both the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano, Italy as well as the Shroud of Turin.

AB+ is under 10% of most modern population, though it is slightly higher in Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Hong Kong (around 7% rather than 3%). It is highest in Japan/China/Korea. Contrast this with O+, which makes up 30-40% of most populations. The negative blood types are typically less common than the positive ones, so the Rh factor is quite common.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1305211613' post='2240463']
Yes, AB+ blood, which is not the most common (though hardly 'rare' either). At least, that's the blood type of both the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano, Italy as well as the Shroud of Turin.

AB+ is under 10% of most modern population, though it is slightly higher in Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Hong Kong (around 7% rather than 3%). It is highest in Japan/China/Korea. Contrast this with O+, which makes up 30-40% of most populations. The negative blood types are typically less common than the positive ones, so the Rh factor is quite common.
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am i correct in remembering that AB+ blood is the universal donor?

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1305218721' post='2240507']
am i correct in remembering that AB+ blood is the universal donor?
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Universal receiver.

[stevil]

Would it be naiive to think that the Church hasn't already had DNA sequencing done.
Maybe the results were not a match, or inconclusive or maybe they want their followers to remain faithful and believers rather than have conclusive knowledge?

Edited May 12, 2011 by stevil

[Lil Red]

[quote name='stevil' timestamp='1305228223' post='2240578']
Would it be naiive to think that the Church hasn't already had DNA sequencing done.
Maybe the results were not a match, or inconclusive or maybe they want their followers to remain faithful and believers rather than have conclusive knowledge?
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i don't know about this process specifically, but for recognizing saints, the Church has (usually, I think?) non-Catholics (or agnostics/atheists?) looking over scientific evidence - so there can be no claims of tainting the evidence.

[stevil]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1305228932' post='2240583']
i don't know about this process specifically, but for recognizing saints, the Church has (usually, I think?) non-Catholics (or agnostics/atheists?) looking over scientific evidence - so there can be no claims of tainting the evidence.
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Interesting to know.

I'm actually suggesting that DNA is available and is a much more difficult proposition to be skeptical against than merely a blood type match.

[MagiDragon]

[quote name='stevil' timestamp='1305236885' post='2240640']
Interesting to know.

I'm actually suggesting that DNA is available and is a much more difficult proposition to be skeptical against than merely a blood type match.
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I don't know . . . how long does DNA stay intact under atmospheric conditions? I would think that the shroud might be a bit too old to test, even if you believe that it's from the most recent potential dates. Plus it's been handled over the centuries and survived a fire . . .

Any bio-chem majors here?

[Amppax]

[quote name='MagiDragon' timestamp='1305307033' post='2240906']
I don't know . . . how long does DNA stay intact under atmospheric conditions? I would think that the shroud might be a bit too old to test, even if you believe that it's from the most recent potential dates. Plus it's been handled over the centuries and survived a fire . . .

Any bio-chem majors here?
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Nope, but i have the internet, and wikipedia has something to say about this.

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_profiling"]http://en.wikipedia....i/DNA_profiling[/url]
I have no idea what any of this means, when words start sounding scientific my brain shuts off [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif[/img]. I guess thats why I want to study History

*Edit: i'm assuming the answer to your question can be found on this page, but again I didn't read it so I have no idea [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/blush.gif[/img]

Edited May 13, 2011 by Amppax