Traditional Carmel With Latin And Strict Papal Enclosure

[Elkana]

Hello,

I'm new here, it's my first post. I haven't find a proper 'hello thread' to introduce myself. I'm a foreigner and I am interested in any information on traditional Carmels in Europe.

I have actually registered to kindly ask you for more information on the Carmels you mentioned in the first post.

Thank you very much.

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Elkana

[inperpetuity]

Hello, Elkana,

 

Welcome to this forum!  I don't know much about the Carmels in Europe except for Kirk Edge, but I know they do use an English version of the office that is supposed to be pretty good, and they apparently adhere very strictly to the constitutions and traditional customs.  I've only every heard and read good things about them.  There are people on here who know much more than I do about European monasteries, so hopefully they will come up with some more good info. for you.  God Bless!

Edited May 18, 2013 by inperpetuity

[Chiquitunga]

Hello,

I'm new here, it's my first post. I haven't find a proper 'hello thread' to introduce myself. I'm a foreigner and I am interested in any information on traditional Carmels in Europe.

I have actually registered to kindly ask you for more information on the Carmels you mentioned in the first post.

Thank you very much.

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Elkana

 

Which countries/languages would you be most familiar with? (though God of can always call you anywhere of course) You can look up which Carmels are under the older Constitutions (1990) by viewing their addresses here, http://www.discalcedcarmel.com/index.php  The ones with *** in the address are 1990. The ones with two stars ** are 1990 except under the Father General of the Order.

 

I've seen one with one star and I am not sure what that means yet. It was Créteil in France, which I have heard is 1990.

 

Here is my old thread on the Constitutions - http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/58540-the-discalced-carmelite-nuns-1990-1991-constitutions/  as well as a Spanish blog about it - http://carmelitasdescalzas1990.blogspot.com/

 

The Carmel that Studiumecclesiae was talking about in the first post of this thread was Alençon, as I was emailing her about it. She doesn't visit this forum anymore, though I could contact her for more information. Here is a page on them - http://www.orne.catholique.fr/-MONASTERE-DU-CARMEL-D-ALENCON-.html  Also she had a blog post on them, though it's down, but here's an archive of it - http://web.archive.org/web/20111102072255/http://salveregina.over-blog.com/article-carmel-d-alen-on-ville-natale-de-sainte-therese-de-l-enfant-jesus-77457132.html

[Chiquitunga]

Which countries/languages would you be most familiar with? (though God of can always call you anywhere of course) You can look up which Carmels are under the older Constitutions (1990) by viewing their addresses here, http://www.discalcedcarmel.com/index.php  The ones with *** in the address are 1990. The ones with two stars ** are 1990 except under the Father General of the Order.

 

p.s. that link didn't go to the exact place I meant. On the left under "Nuns" click "Addresses" :like:

[Elkana]

Thank you so much for this quick response and so much information! I really appreciate :) your warm welcome!

 

I have been looking for information about traditional Carmels. I didn't know there were Carmels outside federations. I would like to know more about them and thanks for Alencon.

I've been attending the church for two years now. And for more than a year, the traditional Mass. There is a great difference... And when I started to think about Carmel, I thought of the traditional liturgy, too. There isn't any Carmel in my country with Latin liturgy.

Sometimes it seems I'm searching too much, you know. Considering going to France... Whimsical! But maybe it makes sense?

Btw I know English and French, and am saying to myself (boldly) that Italian can't be that difficult... Reading His will, is, though...

 

Thank you for your kindness!

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[inperpetuity]

 Italian was much easier to learn than French.

[inperpetuity]

I found this list of unassociated US Carmels:

 

www.baltimorecarmel.org/carmelite%20fam

 

I don't know how accurate this is, but that doesn't help you much Elkana.

[Elkana]

Yes that would be really far, but thank you anyway :)

 

Chiquitunga, could you tell me, is there a way to contact Studiumecclasiae about the Carmels ? I mean, if this is possible now. Thanks very much.

 

There is a 1990 Carmel in my hometown. The sisters are great though as you'd guess I haven't seen much of them... Except for the external sister (if that's the proper expression). The Mass is 'new'.

 

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[Indwelling Trinity]

Technically the term Carmel is only used for Carmelite nuns and I *think* OCarm sisters are sisters not nuns. So there may well be OCarm Carmelite Monasteries but not actual Carmels. And yes, I am nitpicking - I have nearly a bottle of pink wine in my tummy tonight! :cheers2:

 

Smiles Gently... The O.Carms are the original Carmelites the O.C.D.'s are one of many reforms over the years that happened to catch on with OHM St Teresa of Avila. Both Branches of Our holy Order have Nuns and branches of sisters who are semi contemplative. Carmel's roots run deep. :-)

[Chiquitunga]

Yes that would be really far, but thank you anyway :)

 

Chiquitunga, could you tell me, is there a way to contact Studiumecclasiae about the Carmels ? I mean, if this is possible now. Thanks very much.

 

There is a 1990 Carmel in my hometown. The sisters are great though as you'd guess I haven't seen much of them... Except for the external sister (if that's the proper expression). The Mass is 'new'.

 

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I just emailed her to see. :) I'll send you a PM if I hear anything.  That is so rare and amazing you have a 1990 Carmel in your hometown. Wow!!

 

Sometimes it seems I'm searching too much, you know. Considering going to France... Whimsical! But maybe it makes sense?

Btw I know English and French, and am saying to myself (boldly) that Italian can't be that difficult... Reading His will, is, though...

 

Thank you for your kindness!

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The Nebraska Carmel in the US that has the Traditional Latin Mass daily has two nuns who entered from Australia, as far as I have heard. But yes, I agree... reading His will is the difficult part! prayers for you! :pray:

 

About Alençon again, Studiumecclasiae also mentioned once in another thread that they actually have the Traditional Latin Mass 3 to 4 times a week, at least at the time she posted it. She has visited there. If you can afford it, I think it would be very much worth a visit, if you're called there or not, especially since it's the birthplace of St. Therese and there's a shrine a short walk from the Carmel where she was born - http://www.famillemartin-therese-alencon.com Then you could go visit Lisieux too! :like:

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze5Bap6Nhac

[StayingFaithful]

Indwelling Trinity,

Thanks for clarifying about the OCarm Nuns. They are the "originals" so to speak and have the title of Ancient Observance. The Chapel in Allentown is phenomenal and they are a traditional community (full habit, strict papal enclosure, etc.) but do not have Latin Mass.  St. Mary Magdalene de' Pazzi was an OCarm.   

[Chiquitunga]

Chiquitunga, could you tell me, is there a way to contact Studiumecclasiae about the Carmels ? I mean, if this is possible now. Thanks very much.

 

just heard back from her! :clap: so glad to be in touch now. she has limited access to the internet, but said I could share with you her email. I'll send you a PM :like:

[inperpetuity]

[attachment=3157:Varre-Sai Carmel.jpg]Here are a few pictures of the Varre-Sai Carmel in Brazil.  It is called the Monastery of Our Lady of Mount Carmel.  It was recently founded by a priest of the Apostolic Administration of St. John Vianney in Campos, Brazil so they have the Traditional Latin Mass daily.  The Convent is in Rio and will not been formally sealed until construction is complete. A friend of mine is entering there this month.  :smile2: They are open to older/delayed vocations.

Edited June 3, 2013 by inperpetuity

[inperpetuity]

Sorry it didn't load the other pictures.  I'll have to try and get them up later.

[inperpetuity]

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This is the new monastery.

[Chiquitunga]

Oh wonderful!! Thank you for sharing! I did a google image search on the first picture and see his blog (which I'm sure you've seen) is here - http://jesusviaveritasetvita.blogspot.com/ Very neat that he says they will be under the 1990 Constitutions with the Traditional Latin Mass in the "About me" part.

 

Here's where that second picture is from (love that search by image feature!) - http://zelozelatussum.blogspot.com/  There are a few more tiny pictures there too.

 

So this is a brand new foundation it seems, not founded from another Carmel. That has happened a few times in the history of the Order, in Mexico and Ireland for instance. They were founded and formed by the OCD Friars who were already in those countries. I wonder if they will first have to start out as Association of the Faithful and all of that first. Anyway, this is wonderful to hear about! God bless him for founding a Carmel like that! :priest:

[inperpetuity]

There are already nuns living there who were formed by the prioress of the Hermit Carmelites in Brazil before she became prioress there in her previous monastery which she left for the Hermits.  They are under Bishop Rifan of the Apostolic Administration of St. John Vianney.  Project began years ago under Bishop Rifan, but it has taken them awhile to raise the money for construction.

[inperpetuity]

Thanks, Chiqui! I have not seen the blog, haven't had time to research it yet. Brazil is far though.

[Chiquitunga]

Thanks, Chiqui! I have not seen the blog, haven't had time to research it yet. Brazil is far though.

 

Brazil is far and Portuguese would be a challenge... It's so wonderful for them though! They have several 1990 Carmels too (ones with two & three stars) so perhaps they are also helping them - http://www.discalcedcarmel.com/index.php?Seccion=americalodir&CodNacion=8&Li=20

 

By the way, something I just noticed on this blog of his - http://zelozelatussum.blogspot.com/  Check out what he says on the side there about the St. Teresa of the Andes movie. Awesome! Love this priest! :priest:

[inperpetuity]

I agree, the nuns are very fortunate in him.  I saw that, but the picture shows here with her postulant garb on and a mantle.  I don't remember seeing her like that in the movie.