Winchester Posted July 5, 2003 Author Posted July 5, 2003 I should have liked the one who said it needn't follow just war to be so to post. That's interesting.
Chrysologus Posted July 5, 2003 Posted July 5, 2003 I don't think we can demand that a war follow Catholic THEORY. The just war theory is not dogmatic and I saw on a Catholic website very recently that some theologians think that it's in need of some work.
Don John of Austria Posted July 6, 2003 Posted July 6, 2003 Well I for one didn't like the Choices, A war could be just and Faught in an unjust way among other things. Also one does not need to Know catholic Theology to fight a Just war on simply must act in an objectively Just way which has been explained by the Church as Just war theory.
Brother Adam Posted July 6, 2003 Posted July 6, 2003 God seemed to have thought that war was the way to go quite often in times of old. We are also aware of a very real war being played out on a spiritual front every hour of every day. So yes, war is real and necessary.
hyperdulia again Posted July 6, 2003 Posted July 6, 2003 i'm intelectually oppsed to every war until such time as it starts.
Chrysologus Posted July 6, 2003 Posted July 6, 2003 So what if the U.S. was invaded, would you then still be intellectually opposed to a war?
hyperdulia again Posted July 6, 2003 Posted July 6, 2003 if the us was invaded my support of fighting back would depend on who was invading and why, but as a point of fact if you invade a place you are the aggressor and the people you invade have a right to fight back.
TempleofVesarius Posted July 6, 2003 Posted July 6, 2003 I voted no, but I do think war is needed sometimes...to call it just would imply that the innocents that die as a result deserved and are somehow recieving justice...war is has to many costs to be considered just or fair, even when it is necessary.
Winchester Posted July 7, 2003 Author Posted July 7, 2003 Well I for one didn't like the Choices, A war could be just and Faught in an unjust way among other things. Also one does not need to Know catholic Theology to fight a Just war on simply must act in an objectively Just way which has been explained by the Church as Just war theory. Of course you don't like the choices. I didn't say one had to know just war theory, just follow it. One can follow rules without knowing them. People here are familiar with just war theory, which is something one could arrive at by non-Catholic philosophy. I chose familiar terms. If you're going to pick, at least try to exercise some judgement about it.
ironmonk Posted July 7, 2003 Posted July 7, 2003 I don't think we can demand that a war follow Catholic THEORY. The just war theory is not dogmatic and I saw on a Catholic website very recently that some theologians think that it's in need of some work. Good point... but Catholic Theory is better than any other out there, when it comes to right and wrong... When it comes to right and wrong, we know that it's up to God... hence, no other church knows God better than the Catholic Church.
Chrysologus Posted July 7, 2003 Posted July 7, 2003 Well, if you say that it's okay to fight back, that's still war, so I don't see how you could've voted for the plain "no" answer. Just war theory definitely allows defensive wars.
God Conquers Posted July 7, 2003 Posted July 7, 2003 We are fighting a war right now. The forces of evil will lose eventually, we know that, but we have to fight for the souls of those who are unaware of the war.
Donna Posted July 7, 2003 Posted July 7, 2003 Winchester, are you quoting the Edwin Starr recording of "War" or a re-make?
Crusader_4 Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 War is evil regardless of the situation its a last resort and i dont see it as a just resort...its the last option. It is not nesscairly just but nesscary in certain situations and thus perhaps excused by the Just war theorm. But to say the prinicple of War itself is Just i would say no. To say a certain war i.e. WWII could have been justified. However that doesnt make War itself Just.
Quietfire Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 War itself isnt just. That is why it is war. God knew that in certain instances war would and will be the only recourse to a specific problem. WWII was a personal agenda for Hitler, for example. He was serving no one other than himself. Our involvement was a result of those who figured to remove us as a possible threat, thereby involving us. Our involvement was due to sanctity of life first, the freedom of the oppressed next. Being that we as man lost integrity and continue to see self as above all other, the most important factor, then war will continue until God sees fit to correct things here on Earth. Also being that so many have not been bought yet into the light that is truth in God, we are very far from that goal. May God have mercy on our souls. Peace :peace:
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