Winchester Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 [quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1315257072' post='2300617'] I liked Ron Paul until I moved to his congressional district. He's a no-show. I might as well be represented by Donald Duck. [/quote] You mean he doesn't get special favors for you? That's the idea.
Adrestia Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1315267518' post='2300707']You mean he doesn't get special favors for you? That's the idea.[/quote] You have no idea what is going on down here. Neither does he, and that's a problem. The state of Texas, run by Rick Perry, is forcing Galveston, Ron Paul's area, to rebuild a ridiculously high number of public housing units. Due to HUD rules, they're also planning to build additional mixed income units along side the new public housing units. The island already has plenty of unoccupied homes. It's nuts. There's a lot more to the story, but I doubt you care. Ron Paul should be fighting for us - it's not a special favor, it's his job.
Aloysius Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 sounds like a state issue; why should it be a Federal Congressman's job? I believe your state congressman should be fighting for you on that issue. that is the way the system is supposed to work.
Adrestia Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1315282298' post='2300944'] sounds like a state issue; why should it be a Federal Congressman's job? I believe your state congressman should be fighting for you on that issue. that is the way the system is supposed to work. [/quote] The state is selling us out to get [i]federal[/i] money. The federal money at stake is for the entire state of Texas. Federal money = federal issue = our representative to congress should at least pretend he notices or cares. edit: It SHOULD be a local issue, I'm upset that the state is involved. They are forcing us - no one from Galveston had any input on the reconciliation agreement. My local representative is doing everything in her power to change the course... but it doesn't look good. Edited September 6, 2011 by Adrestia
Winchester Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 [quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1315279168' post='2300897'] You have no idea what is going on down here. Neither does he, and that's a problem. The state of Texas, run by Rick Perry, is forcing Galveston, Ron Paul's area, to rebuild a ridiculously high number of public housing units. Due to HUD rules, they're also planning to build additional mixed income units along side the new public housing units. The island already has plenty of unoccupied homes. It's nuts. There's a lot more to the story, but I doubt you care. Ron Paul should be fighting for us - it's not a special favor, it's his job. [/quote] Do you wish to abolish HUD?
Adrestia Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1315315552' post='2301047'] Do you wish to abolish HUD? [/quote] I'm sorry I wasn't clear earlier. I wish that Ron Paul paid attention to his congressional district. This isn't HUD's fault; the State of Texas did this to Galveston to get FEMA money. The State of Texas is forcing us to follow HUD rules even though they are not practical for this area. The State of Texas is doing this for federal money and our federal representative has been silent on the issue. I hope this statement is easier for you to understand.
Winchester Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1315317117' post='2301062'] I'm sorry I wasn't clear earlier. I wish that Ron Paul paid attention to his congressional district. This isn't HUD's fault; the State of Texas did this to Galveston to get FEMA money. The State of Texas is forcing us to follow HUD rules even though they are not practical for this area. The State of Texas is doing this for federal money and our federal representative has been silent on the issue. I hope this statement is easier for you to understand. [/quote] It is HUD's fault, and anyone who supports the special government favor that is HUD cannot complain when those favors don't benefit them. This may seem harsh, but it's a fact. Sooner or later, this central planning croutons is going to harm the people who support it. HUD has been harming people for years, and the crony system set up to make states compete for Federal money needs to end. Paul is one of the only people who will oppose that. The comment that our State gov't should be stepping up is correct. Paul can't prevent it--he doesn't run the State. He likely has commented on it, and you will find that he opposes the very idea of what's going on and has been speaking out for years in an attempt to prevent such occurrences. Speaking out on this event is merely hacking at a branch. Moreover, the branch isn't in his jurisdiction--the HUD rules cannot simply be changed, and if Texas does the proper dance it gets the money. Paul can't control Texas and has no direct control over HUD. Edited September 6, 2011 by Winchester
Adrestia Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1315318002' post='2301073'] It is HUD's fault, and anyone who supports the special government favor that is HUD cannot complain when those favors don't benefit them. This may seem harsh, but it's a fact. Sooner or later, this central planning croutons is going to harm the people who support it. HUD has been harming people for years, and the crony system set up to make states compete for Federal money needs to end. Paul is one of the only people who will oppose that. The comment that our State gov't should be stepping up is correct. Paul can't prevent it--he doesn't run the State. He likely has commented on it, and you will find that he opposes the very idea of what's going on and has been speaking out for years in an attempt to prevent such occurrences. Speaking out on this event is merely hacking at a branch. Moreover, the branch isn't in his jurisdiction--the HUD rules cannot simply be changed, and if Texas does the proper dance it gets the money. Paul can't control Texas and has no direct control over HUD. [/quote] Ron Paul's general stance on the subject is clear. His actions (lack thereof) regarding his congressional district are a problem for me. You don't live here, so it's easy for you to act as if his hands are clean. Hacking at a branch can have a huge effect in a city this size.
Winchester Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 [quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1315319457' post='2301084'] Ron Paul's general stance on the subject is clear. His actions (lack thereof) regarding his congressional district are a problem for me. You don't live here, so it's easy for you to act as if his hands are clean. Hacking at a branch can have a huge effect in a city this size. [/quote] You don't live outside of Galveston, so you cannot possibly understand my perspective. What do you think Ron Paul could do to control Texas or HUD?
Adrestia Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1315320905' post='2301086'] You don't live outside of Galveston, so you cannot possibly understand my perspective. [/quote] Wrong. I have lived outside of Galveston. I clearly said that I liked him before I moved here. [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1315320905' post='2301086'] What do you think Ron Paul could do to control Texas or HUD? [/quote] Show up, learn about the issue, & make a statement. That's all I ask. I would not blame him if his statement is ignored. I do blame him for not even trying. I think that if he were to point out how hypocritical and harmful the state of Texas is being to this city, it might have an effect on this situation - especially since Perry is running for president. It won't affect HUD at all; but again, HUD did not create this problem). This is about Texas selling us (the city of Galveston) out to get their hands on federal money.
Adrestia Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1315318002' post='2301073'] It is HUD's fault, and anyone who supports the special government favor that is HUD cannot complain when those favors don't benefit them. [/quote] By the way, I'm not a fan of HUD. I could go on about my issues with HUD for days. While HUD's regulations make the reconciliation agreement worse, I would have the same problem with the reconciliation agreement even if HUD didn't have any regulations regarding public housing. So - to be clear - the reason that I do not blame HUD for this problem is that the problem would still exist even if there was no HUD.
Winchester Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 [quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1315326200' post='2301117'] Wrong. I have lived outside of Galveston. I clearly said that I liked him before I moved here.[/quote] Things have changed, since then, so you no longer understand. [quote]Show up, learn about the issue, & make a statement. That's all I ask. I would not blame him if his statement is ignored. I do blame him for not even trying. I think that if he were to point out how hypocritical and harmful the state of Texas is being to this city, it might have an effect on this situation - especially since Perry is running for president. It won't affect HUD at all; but again, HUD did not create this problem). This is about Texas selling us (the city of Galveston) out to get their hands on federal money. [/quote] HUD created the hoops that Texas is now jumping through. Shall Texas give up this money by not jumping through them? Perhaps you should work to eliminate HUD and thus remove the problem.
Mr.Cat Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 (edited) Federal politicians NEVER lobby to state governments or attempt to influence their decisions. At least, that is the impression I am getting from this thread. That's why it's so silly to ask Representative Ron Paul to address something happening in his district... So SILLY! Edited September 6, 2011 by Mr.Cat
Winchester Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 Obviously, nationalists have a different view.
Adrestia Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1315331862' post='2301144'] HUD created the hoops that Texas is now jumping through. Shall Texas give up this money by not jumping through them? Perhaps you should work to eliminate HUD and thus remove the problem. [/quote] I highly suggest you learn about this situation before making assumptions. (The problem is not HUD.) We can start a new thread if you actually want to discuss this issue further.
Laudate_Dominum Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 Capitalism is bad. I'm voting for Che.
Winchester Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 [quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1315342353' post='2301237'] I highly suggest you learn about this situation before making assumptions. (The problem is not HUD.) We can start a new thread if you actually want to discuss this issue further. [/quote] As I said, since you live in Galveston, you cannot understand the perspective of others outside of Galveston. They should turn the entire island into a prison colony.
Winchester Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) meh Edited September 7, 2011 by Winchester
Aloysius Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 have you called Ron Paul's office or sent him letters on the issue? you yourself admitted he likely cannot do anything about the situation, so I think this is a ridiculous issue to bring up in a discussion about Paul's presidential campaign. the job of a Federal Congressman is to represent his constituents in the Federal Government. I'm sure they can also do some things to try to influence state policies, though that should obviously not be their primary job if they should be bothering with it at all. in fact, I'd be offended at Federal Congressmen trying to interfere in the actions of a State that way... I mean, Texas might be wrong to be doing what it's doing, but doesn't it have the right to do it? what constitutional right would the Federal government have to stop them?
Mr.Cat Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 [quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1315369462' post='2301453']have you called Ron Paul's office or sent him letters on the issue? you yourself admitted he likely cannot do anything about the situation, so I think this is a ridiculous issue to bring up in a discussion about Paul's presidential campaign. the job of a Federal Congressman is to represent his constituents in the Federal Government. I'm sure they can also do some things to try to influence state policies, though that should obviously not be their primary job if they should be bothering with it at all. [b][u]in fact, I'd be offended at Federal Congressmen trying to interfere in the actions of a State that way[/u][/b]... I mean, Texas might be wrong to be doing what it's doing, but doesn't it have the right to do it? what constitutional right would the Federal government have to stop them?[/quote]Why? Why would you be offended? Governments work together all the time. In this case it's merely asking for THEIR Representative to address something happening in THEIR district... We have a federal government, NOT a confederal government.
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