Tatoos/piercings.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1315430869' post='2301775']
Yes, and if you keep reading, I said as much
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i know that. i can read. most of the time. i think better stated would be "would we be ashamed to tell Jesus and Mary something we've done?" There is a difference between Jesus knowing, and us confessing it.

[Papist]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1315430999' post='2301776']
turn this around, if you found out a saint had a tattoo (and wasn't ashamed of it), would your opinion of this saint be lessened? why?

no.

this question doesn't even make sense to me.

probably not. of course, as a woman, there are a lot of things I do that would not be accepted in every century of Christendom prior to this one: like drink, wear pantaloons, vote, etc.

it depends.

yes.

does it matter?

would i be a good representative of my Catholic religion by going to a bar and having a drink?

i like sixpence's answer.
[/quote]
Interesting that you took a defensive mode. I wasn't being personal,

[ParadiseFound]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1315425233' post='2301718']
Most places nowadays won't bar you from getting a job if you have lots of tattoos and such, if you live in the right area of the country
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It is not the same in the Netherlands

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1315431661' post='2301785']
Interesting that you took a defensive mode. I wasn't being personal,
[/quote]
uh, i wasn't being defensive.

[LaPetiteSoeur]

Um, I have my ears pierced. Only one hole in each (although one ear looks like it has two, because it was pierced twice--the first one tore and o my goodness it was painful).

For Mass, I have Celtic Cross earrings. For everyday, I have an eiffel tower pair, one that has an interlace pattern, kitty santa ones (christmas time, of course), fleur de lys earrings...There's no issue, I think.

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1315398811' post='2301536']
Would what I am doing be accepted in every century of Christendom PRIOR to this one?[/quote]
Parts of Catholic theology weren't even accepted in every century of Christendom prior to this one. How can anyone expect an issue of fashion to hold up to that level of scrutiny if our theology doesn't?

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1315398811' post='2301536']
Would the majority of Catholics do this, and if not, WHY not?
Would I be a good representative of my Catholic Religion by doing this?
Drawing a line between those who would condone this act and those who wouldn't, which side of the line would I be on and who else would be there?
[/quote]
A Catholic in southern Arizona and northern Connecticut are going to have very different definitions of what it means to be Catholic. Catholicism is no longer a unified subculture, at least in American society.

[tinytherese]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1315425233' post='2301718']

The problem with that line of reasoning is that because there are so many people with lots of tattoos, piercings and gauges/stretchers (the BIG holes in ears), by the time they're sixty it won't look weird because so many people will have them. Most places nowadays won't bar you from getting a job if you have lots of tattoos and such, if you live in the right area of the country
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I don't think that the poster meant being barred from getting a job because of the tattoo but just looking from a physical perspective let's just say that a tattoo wouldn't look pretty with the wrinkly.

Note that I am not saying that it would be immoral to get a tattoo, just that it might look cool now but in the future it could look terrible.

[Lil Red]

let's face it, when we're past a certain age, [i]everything[/i] doesn't look that great.

[faithcecelia]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1315460148' post='2302046']
let's face it, when we're past a certain age, [i]everything[/i] doesn't look that great.
[/quote]

I hope the one on the back of my thigh (not religious) will make my carers smile in years t come, and remind them that even the oldest person was young once.

Edited September 8, 2011 by faithcecelia

[Papist]

I believe you and others are missing my point. The answers to these questions one makes is not in of themselves going to be the deciding factor if the act one is contemplating is good/moral. However, collectively I believe they can aid in one’s discernment of what motivates one to do such an act. Depending on the act, each question will aid one differently, and sometimes maybe not at all.

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1315454245' post='2302027']
Parts of Catholic theology weren't even accepted in every century of Christendom prior to this one. How can anyone expect an issue of fashion to hold up to that level of scrutiny if our theology doesn't?
[/quote]
True, but I wasn’t trying to apply specifically to fashion. Notice I stated ask some of the questions. I am sure there will be such acts that a questions may not apply.

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1315454245' post='2302027']
A Catholic in southern Arizona and northern Connecticut are going to have very different definitions of what it means to be Catholic. Catholicism is no longer a unified subculture, at least in American society.
[/quote]
Yet they have many commonalities, no.

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1315484202' post='2302093']
I believe you and others are missing my point. The answers to these questions one makes is not in of themselves going to be the deciding factor if the act one is contemplating is good/moral. However, collectively I believe they can aid in one’s discernment of what motivates one to do such an act. Depending on the act, each question will aid one differently, and sometimes maybe not at all.
[/quote]
Oh. Well that makes more sense.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1315484202' post='2302093']
I believe you and others are missing my point. The answers to these questions one makes is not in of themselves going to be the deciding factor if the act one is contemplating is good/moral. However, collectively I believe they can aid in one’s discernment of what motivates one to do such an act. Depending on the act, each question will aid one differently, and sometimes maybe not at all.
[/quote]

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1315358058' post='2301330']
My own ears have double-pierced lobes. [/quote]
I like your Ezekiel. lol Mine are triple pierced (all in the lobe) and each one of my daughters has their ears pierced.

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1315460148' post='2302046']
let's face it, when we're past a certain age, [i]everything[/i] doesn't look that great.
[/quote]

True dat.
[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1315484202' post='2302093']
I believe you and others are missing my point. The answers to these questions one makes is not in of themselves going to be the deciding factor if the act one is contemplating is good/moral. However, collectively I believe they can aid in one’s discernment of what motivates one to do such an act. Depending on the act, each question will aid one differently, and sometimes maybe not at all.
[/quote]

That makes more sense. When I read one of them [the one about "do the majority of Catholics do this" (or something to that effect)] my mind immediately went to other things that we all know are immoral, like contraception, and clearly those are wrong but basing my decision on "what's everyone else doing" isn't necessarily going to lead me to a moral decision. I'd probably strike that one completely off the list if I was going to start using it to gauge the morality of my actions.

[Papist]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1315500701' post='2302203']
That makes more sense. When I read one of them [the one about "do the majority of Catholics do this" (or something to that effect)] my mind immediately went to other things that we all know are immoral, like contraception, and clearly those are wrong but basing my decision on "what's everyone else doing" isn't necessarily going to lead me to a moral decision. I'd probably strike that one completely off the list if I was going to start using it to gauge the morality of my actions.
[/quote]
You see. Look how the question, the one you want to strike off the list[I am not disagreeing], had you thinking. Not to be a checklist that if you answer more yes than no then the action is good/moral, but rather to get you thinking.

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1315501686' post='2302213']
You see. Look how the question, the one you want to strike off the list[I am not disagreeing], had you thinking. Not to be a checklist that if you answer more yes than no then the action is good/moral, but rather to get you thinking.
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Well, I generally think about what the Church teaches on the particular matter, and if there isn't a clear teaching I follow my conscience. But it's the same general principle.

[ardillacid]

I wouldn't be opposed to getting a tattoo, I just haven't found any that appeal to me yet

[Norseman82]

On a side note, when I first saw this topic today, I thought it said "Tac[size=4]o[/size]s/pierogis"

[tinytherese]

I'm not against all piercings (why would you want to pierce genitalia), but I remember hearing about how one of my relatives had a lip ring and her baby son ripped it out. Ouch!

[Luigi]

[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1315528030' post='2302343']
On a side note, when I first saw this topic today, I thought it said "Tac[size=4]o[/size]s/pierogis"
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Ummm... did you ever get your supper or are you still hungry?

[Ice_nine]

I pierced my pupils because I'm hardcore

you look at the world trough diamonds? Didn't think so