Birkenhead Carmel - New Website

[faithcecelia]

I was just browsing for pictures and came across Birkenhead's brand new website - previously, as far as I have ever been able to find, they just had a simple page on the main UK Carmelite website. It is simple but lovely[url="http://www.carmelitesbirkenhead.org.uk/index.html"]http://www.carmelitesbirkenhead.org.uk/index.html[/url]

[brandelynmarie]

What is Matraque at 0530? I have not heard of this term...

[faithcecelia]

[quote name='brandelynmarie' timestamp='1316634275' post='2308204']
What is Matraque at 0530? I have not heard of this term...
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Its what they use as an alarm call. I will look for a picture, but the closest I can think to describe it is an old football rattle. Its an awful noise!!!

[faithcecelia]

Okay, google image brings up all sorts of things when I type 'matraque' none of which are remotely what we are looking for! This is an old football rattle, so not the same but close enough to give an idea
[img]http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/ruthbale/imagesCAQ27W67.jpg[/img]

[Strictlyinkblot]

Lovely pictures on the website but is there anywhere that shows images of a carmelite cell? I'm just wondering what I might be letting myself in for

[faithcecelia]

[quote name='Strictlyinkblot' timestamp='1316635719' post='2308222']
Lovely pictures on the website but is there anywhere that shows images of a carmelite cell? I'm just wondering what I might be letting myself in for
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This is as good a picture as any

[img]http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/ruthbale/imagesCA6LUZR1.jpg[/img]


At Quidenham the cells vary dramatically in size an shape as the building was converted quickly and cheaply. There they have 'normal' beds, almost all the standard 3' but a couple of the cells (most often used for aspirants) still have 2'6" as the cells are long and narrow. So basically, a normal bed with duvet, a locker, a desk and chair, a chest of drawers and a small bookshelf. Simple but adequate. At Notting Hill, as a built Carmel, they have the window seats and built-in bookshelf that St Teresa originally wanted

[Strictlyinkblot]

[quote name='faithcecelia' timestamp='1316636240' post='2308233']

This is as good a picture as any

[img]http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/ruthbale/imagesCA6LUZR1.jpg[/img]


At Quidenham the cells vary dramatically in size an shape as the building was converted quickly and cheaply. There they have 'normal' beds, almost all the standard 3' but a couple of the cells (most often used for aspirants) still have 2'6" as the cells are long and narrow. So basically, a normal bed with duvet, a locker, a desk and chair, a chest of drawers and a small bookshelf. Simple but adequate. At Notting Hill, as a built Carmel, they have the window seats and built-in bookshelf that St Teresa originally wanted
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Thanks, that's a great picture

[brandelynmarie]

[quote name='faithcecelia' timestamp='1316635577' post='2308220']
Okay, google image brings up all sorts of things when I type 'matraque' none of which are remotely what we are looking for! This is an old football rattle, so not the same but close enough to give an idea
[img]http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/ruthbale/imagesCAQ27W67.jpg[/img]
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Oh! It's a french term for a clacker!!! Or maybe it's called a ?Thank you!

Edited September 21, 2011 by brandelynmarie

[Chiara Francesco]

I prefer the cell in the Kirk Edge Carmel: http://www.kirkedge.org.uk/gallery.html - scroll down about 3/4.

Do these nuns where the full traditional Carmelite habit? Are they 1990s or 1991s?

[krissylou]

at first I thought this was the BirkenSTOCK Carmel.

Which (from the limited amount I've seen) would be most Carmels!

[faithcecelia]

[quote name='Chiara Francesco' timestamp='1316638568' post='2308256']
I prefer the cell in the Kirk Edge Carmel: [url="http://www.kirkedge.org.uk/gallery.html"]http://www.kirkedge....uk/gallery.html[/url] - scroll down about 3/4.

Do these nuns where the full traditional Carmelite habit? Are they 1990s or 1991s?
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I wanted to post a pic that was the closest to what strictlyinkblot will experience.

Are you asking about Birkenhead? They are 1991, all English Carmels have the habit, most have modified their veils in one way or another, I am not sure about Birkenhead.

[brandelynmarie]

[quote name='krissylou' timestamp='1316639212' post='2308260']
at first I thought this was the BirkenSTOCK Carmel.

Which (from the limited amount I've seen) would be most Carmels!


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I was reading it as Birkenstocks too! Which, by the way, I hear last a very very long time & would be appropos for monastery wear.

[AccountDeleted]

Did anyone notice that in their horarium they don't have a siesta scheduled for after lunch? all of the ones I have been in have had at least half an hour, some one hour. I don't know how they make it through the day without this rest time!!

[BarbTherese]

Great logo!

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='brandelynmarie' timestamp='1316637741' post='2308248']
Oh! It's a french term for a clacker!!! Or maybe it's called a ?Thank you!
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I've always heard it referred to as a clapper [b][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyTOV0jXirg&feature=player_detailpage#t=79s"]Here[/url][/b] it is in one of Brandee's videos

[Antigonos]

[quote name='faithcecelia' timestamp='1316635577' post='2308220']
Okay, google image brings up all sorts of things when I type 'matraque' none of which are remotely what we are looking for! This is an old football rattle, so not the same but close enough to give an idea
[img]http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/ruthbale/imagesCAQ27W67.jpg[/img]
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I have got to laugh a little because I have several of these, in plastic, that my kids used, in the house somewhere. At the holiday of Purim, when the Book of Esther is read in the synagogue, it is traditional to make noise whenever the name of Haman the Amalekite is pronounced, because Jews are commanded to "destroy Amalek" in the Torah. This is what is called a "grogger" in Yiddish, or "ra'ashan" in Hebrew, and it is wielded with great zest whenever Haman's name comes up. First time I ever heard it referred to as a football rattle, and yes, it does make a tremendous rattle which would be [i]very[/i] effective at getting anyone out of bed.

[faithcecelia]

[quote name='nunsense' timestamp='1316661205' post='2308418']
Did anyone notice that in their horarium they don't have a siesta scheduled for after lunch? all of the ones I have been in have had at least half an hour, some one hour. I don't know how they make it through the day without this rest time!!
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NH don't have siesta either, and Q have it instead of midday recreation with most of the sisters using it to get out for walks, etc. It was a huge relief to know I wasn't forced to rest - the nights are too long for me as it is without sleeping it the daytime!

[AccountDeleted]

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NH don't have siesta either, and Q have it instead of midday recreation with most of the sisters using it to get out for walks, etc. It was a huge relief to know I wasn't forced to rest - the nights are too long for me as it is without sleeping it the daytime!
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No one has to sleep during this time unless they want to. At one Carmel, they just called it Silence and we could read or rest or do anything as long as it was done quietly and didn't disturb anyone who wanted to rest. I just loved the time alone.

[Clare~Therese]

I don't know why but I seriously keep reading the title of this thread as "Brickhead Carmel."
Weird.

But anyway, the website is great and Carmelites are wonderful.

[HopefulBride]

[quote name='Clare~Therese' timestamp='1316744761' post='2308759']
I don't know why but I seriously keep reading the title of this thread as "Brickhead Carmel."
Weird.

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