How Is Mary Related To My Salvation?

[narnia]

Hi!

I am a born-again Christian and I am interested in the Catholic faith.. I would just like to know..

Is Mary related to my Salvation?

If yes, how so? If no.. why?

... Oh yeah. I've noticed that this forum is prone to text dumping.. Please don't text dump ya.. cos it'll discourage me to read. And if you are to present documents from the Vatican, please translate it into simple English.. so that lads like me can understand.

Thank u.

[the lumberjack]

no being catholic...I can give you the answer I've come to find more often for most of what we "protestants" call extra-bibical beliefs.

yes. just because the church says so.

[ironmonk]

The Catholic faith is deep. Sometimes to fully explain a topic, it takes a little effort of reading.


Mary is related to all Christians because she is the mother of the Church. As Jesus said to John and Mary: "Woman behold your son" and "Behold, your mother". Afterward Jesus then said "It is finished."

You will be saved because of Christ, this is what the Church has taught since 33 AD.

Mary was the new Eve. Through Eve brought the fall of man (eating of the fruit), through Mary was brought the salvation of man (Christ Jesus).

Mary was the human that Jesus got all of His flesh from.

Here are some resources that can help you understand much more:

[url="http://www.ScriptureCatholic.com"]http://www.ScriptureCatholic.com[/url]

[url="http://www.USCCB.org"]http://www.USCCB.org[/url]

[url="http://www.Catholic.com"]http://www.Catholic.com[/url]

[url="http://www.Catholic-Pages.com"]http://www.Catholic-Pages.com[/url]



God Bless,
ironmonk

[Jake Huether]

Mary gave birth to your Salvation.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Jake Huether' date='Apr 30 2004, 01:00 PM'] Mary gave birth to your Salvation. [/quote]
[b]WORD!!![/b]

[narnia]

Correct. Although Mary gave birth to Jesus. We thank her and are grateful for that.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life..."

Scripture clearly states that I ONLY NEED to believe in Jesus. Therefore without a devotion or a belief in Mary we can still enter Heaven.

Right?

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='narnia' date='Apr 30 2004, 12:42 PM']Correct. Although Mary gave birth to Jesus. We thank her and are grateful for that.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life..."

Scripture clearly states that I ONLY NEED to believe in Jesus. Therefore without a devotion or a belief in Mary we can still enter Heaven.

Right? [/quote]
Go here [url="http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/abtmary.htm"]http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/abtmary.htm[/url] This explains what you need to know!

God Bless You
Jason

[narnia]

Oh yeah. One more thing. Please no URL please. Especially those that lead to sites with loads and loads of non-related info, thank you.

[Circle_Master]

From reading the page, it seems they just use a lot of fancy words for Mary. Basically the gist of the pages is they call her the mother of the Church because of the little diddy Jesus said from the cross to her, and they say to imitate her because she somehow reaches out to the entire church.

All the rest of the Mariology would be from the praying to the saints bit it seems.

[narnia]

[quote name='Circle_Master' date='Apr 30 2004, 12:02 PM'] From reading the page, it seems they just use a lot of fancy words for Mary. Basically the gist of the pages is they call her the mother of the Church because of the little diddy Jesus said from the cross to her, and they say to imitate her because she somehow reaches out to the entire church.

All the rest of the Mariology would be from the praying to the saints bit it seems. [/quote]
hmm. would be interesting to read the opinions of my fellow evangelical brothers & sisters on Mary & Salvation.

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='narnia' date='Apr 30 2004, 12:57 PM'] Oh yeah. One more thing. Please no URL please. Especially those that lead to sites with loads and loads of non-related info, thank you. [/quote]
Picky

Did it not explain Marys role as Mother?

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='Circle_Master' date='Apr 30 2004, 01:02 PM'] From reading the page, it seems they just use a lot of fancy words for Mary. Basically the gist of the pages is they call her the mother of the Church because of the little diddy Jesus said from the cross to her, and they say to imitate her because she somehow reaches out to the entire church.

All the rest of the Mariology would be from the praying to the saints bit it seems. [/quote]
Yes we are to imitate Christ in everything

God Bless
Jason

[narnia]

hehe. Yeah, i can understand why Catholics call Mary their mother but what I REALLY want to know is...

What's Mary got to do with my Salvation?? I mean yeah, she gave birth to Jesus... but that's IT. I now have Jesus. What's her role for our Salvation?

Would like hear from Bro. Adam though

[p0lar_bear]

[quote name='narnia' date='Apr 30 2004, 01:42 PM'] Correct. Although Mary gave birth to Jesus. We thank her and are grateful for that.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life..."

Scripture clearly states that I ONLY NEED to believe in Jesus. Therefore without a devotion or a belief in Mary we can still enter Heaven.

Right? [/quote]
Well, based on the reasoning you used and your interpretation of that verse, you wouldn't have to believe in God the Father or the Holy Spirit, or that Jesus was God, or that He died for us, or that He rose again (it doesn't specify how the Father "gave" Him), etc., etc.,


It's not just as simple as "I believe in Jesus."

[narnia]

Of course it's important to know the Trinity because Jesus & the Father & the Holy Spirit are ONE. And the fact that Jesus was God relates much to OUR Salvation.

I am not here to attack but to understand. thank you.

[Dave]

So in other words, because Mary gave birth to Jesus, we're now supposed to ignore her? Jesus never ignored His mother, and neither should we.

[narnia]

the question is NOT: "Should we ignore Mary?" RATHER it's "How's Mary related to OUR Salvation?"

[p0lar_bear]

I was just pointing out how your logic did not hold up.


This is from the website that Jason provided. I'm not sure you read the information, but I think it kind of basically sums this up.

[quote]The Church Fathers contrast Mary's obedience at the Annunciation with Eve's disobedience. Mary by Her obedience became the cause of the Salvation, while Eve by her disobedience became the cause of death. St. Irenaeus teaches "As she (Eve) who had Adam as her husband, but was nevertheless a virgin, was disobedient, and thereby became the cause of death to herself and to the whole of mankind, so also Mary, who has a pre-ordained husband, and was still a virgin, by Her obedience became a cause of Her own salvation and the salvation of the whole human race" (Adv. Haer. III 22, 4; cf. V 19, 1). St. Jerome says "By a woman the whole world was saved" (cf. Tertullian, De carne Christi 17).[/quote]

(btw, the Church Fathers were early Christian writers. Irenaeus wrote around 150. St. Jerome was in the 300s (I'm not sure on him...))

[Philippe]

hey Narnia i recommed goin to get Scott Hahns book Hail Holy Queen it really shows how Mary is the Eve of the new convenent. Eve was the mother of the original convenent with God and she fell and then Eve is the mother of the new convenent in Jesus and since she never sinned and is pure she holds the convent strongly... its a wonderful book by a convert Catholic so it may be a good read if your interested in Marys role God Bless

[narnia]

To make it simpler:

"Can we enter heaven without the devotion to Mary?"