marigold Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 I figured I might as well take advantage of the current Carmelite bumper crop and ask a question that's been in the back of my mind since I started lurking some time back. Over and over again in Carmel-related threads I read phrases along the lines of "the romanticism of Carmel" and people being warned (how seriously, I don't know) not to be carried away by the romantic ideal of floating around on a cloud or something. Now I just can't for the life of me see why Carmelite life would be 'especially' romantic or seductive (or easier OR harder) in a way that other Orders don't seem to be. Any ideas?
FutureCarmeliteClaire Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 I didn't even see any of that, and I am a Carmelite hopeful. I don't know what that means either Beats me.
OnlySunshine Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 (edited) For me, it was the fact that I was romanticizing Carmel after learning about St. Therese of Lisieux. All I could see was the intense beauty of it, but I knew nothing of its hardships and trials. I wanted so badly to be a Carmelite because of Therese. Little did I know that God had something else in store. I know, now, that my view was like "not seeing the forest for the trees." Edited October 27, 2011 by MaterMisericordiae
vee Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 Bumper crop? As far as I know vocation station has only had one Carmelite enter and stay and that is InthearmsoftheLord who entered Elysburg last year.
Maximilianus Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 It's got to be the shoes, or lack there of.
Chiara Francesco Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 (edited) [quote name='vee8' timestamp='1319760459' post='2327960'] Bumper crop? As far as I know vocation station has only had one Carmelite enter and stay and that is InthearmsoftheLord who entered Elysburg last year. [/quote] Actually there is [b]Necole [/b](PMer name) who entered Traverse City Carmel, [url="https://picasaweb.google.com/112954809546652959393/CarmelOfTheInfantJesusOfPragueTraverseCityMI"]https://picasaweb.go...eTraverseCityMI[/url] , and was clothed a yr or so. We write each other and so far she is in "heaven"! Her letters are so beautiful and full of God and the Carmelite charism. She is to take or did take (have to check) her First Profession of Vows soon. She didn't post a lot on PM so not a lot may know or remember her. I must keep them in case she becomes a saint! You never know! Edited October 28, 2011 by Chiara Francesco
vee Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 [quote name='MaterMisericordiae' timestamp='1319744002' post='2327818'] I wanted so badly to be a Carmelite because of Therese. [/quote] I so badly wanted to be an OP because of Therese...
vee Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 [quote name='Chiara Francesco' timestamp='1319761560' post='2327968'] Actually there is [b]Necole [/b](PMer name) who entered Traverse City Carmel, [url="https://picasaweb.google.com/112954809546652959393/CarmelOfTheInfantJesusOfPragueTraverseCityMI"]https://picasaweb.go...eTraverseCityMI[/url] , and was clothed a yr or so. We write each other and so far she is in "heaven"! Her letters are so beautiful and full of God and the Carmelite charism. She is to take or did take (have to check) her First Profession of Vows soon. She didn't post a lot on PM so not a lot may know or remember her. I must keep them in case she becomes a saint! You never know! [/quote] Yay! ok so two then! The OPs and Franciscans are still winning though
the171 Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 I do romanticize. But, from the writings of St.Therese and the testamonials of various sisters, the austerity has been revealed. Their penance and mortification, their simplicity, their brown-ness. And I think God likes to call phatmassers at the some times sometimes... hahahah my friend (lives here, not cyberland) is about to make her live-in at covington. Another friend of mine is entering covington early 2012. Many other acquaintances are discerning the order of Elijah as well. It spreads by word of mouth and curiosity sends us searching for more. Some of the searchers end uo being called. Now that I think about it, it is the sandals.
marigold Posted October 28, 2011 Author Posted October 28, 2011 [quote name='vee8' timestamp='1319760459' post='2327960'] Bumper crop? As far as I know vocation station has only had one Carmelite enter and stay and that is InthearmsoftheLord who entered Elysburg last year. [/quote] Maybe it's not a crop yet. Just thought there was a lot of Carmel-y stuff going on here atm.
faithcecelia Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 [quote name='vee8' timestamp='1319761858' post='2327969'] I so badly wanted to be an OP because of Therese... [/quote] I can almost understand that! I tend to think that I have grown to love Therese in spite of Story of a Soul not because of it!
OnlySunshine Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 [quote name='vee8' timestamp='1319761858' post='2327969'] I so badly wanted to be an OP because of Therese... [/quote]
brandelynmarie Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 [quote name='Maximilianus' timestamp='1319761310' post='2327966'] It's got to be the shoes, or lack there of. [/quote] [quote name='the171' timestamp='1319764020' post='2327983'] Now that I think about it, it is the sandals. [/quote] Yeah, it's most definitely the sandals. But I was at one point looking into the Poor Clare Colettines because of the bare feet!
marigold Posted October 28, 2011 Author Posted October 28, 2011 [quote name='nunsense' timestamp='1319758323' post='2327957'] Can't answer - not a Carmelite any more [/quote] Oh, you tease...
marigold Posted October 28, 2011 Author Posted October 28, 2011 I guess I was just wondering why Carmel seems to have this romantic reputation. You're suggesting Therese and her flowers... But she didn't wear sandals did she - those Alberquerques or whatever they're called... ?
LadyOfSorrows Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 I didn't even like St. Therese when I first started discerning Carmel!
Carmelshrimp Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 Must admit I've never found Carmel particularly romantic. It's just the spirituality that resonates with me. There are other orders whose habits I think look more graceful or dramatic or just attractive, but Carmel speaks to me so deeply that I don't think I'd care if they dressed in plastic sacks and wore hob-nailed boots (although I'm glad they don't ). And I love Therese too, but like Faith I had to get past "Story of a Soul" and it's 19th century pious language before I realised how amazing she was.
faithcecelia Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 [quote name='marigold' timestamp='1319810704' post='2328184'] I guess I was just wondering why Carmel seems to have this romantic reputation. You're suggesting Therese and her flowers... But she didn't wear sandals did she - those Alberquerques or whatever they're called... ? [/quote] Therese actually had fur boots! She asked her aunt and uncle for them under obedience because she was always cold.
Chiquitunga Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 Though Therese [url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/marc_dan/4706305038/"]did have[/url] alpargatas too .. [img]http://storage.canalblog.com/30/39/868244/65970497.jpg[/img]
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