Occupy Movement Vis A Vis The Tea Partiers

[Papist]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1321370889' post='2336533']
Fundamentalist Christianity in the Tea Party. Not OWS.
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What does this imply about the Tea Party? And not he OWS?

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1321371418' post='2336538']
What does this imply about the Tea Party? And not he OWS?
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The particular kind of patriotism and fundamentalist Christianity promoted by some members of the Tea Party strikes me as promoting ignorance and shunning intellectual discussion. I used these people as an example of how an unsavory part of a group shouldn't be held up as an example of the whole.

[Papist]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1321372143' post='2336543']

The particular kind of patriotism and fundamentalist Christianity promoted by some members of the Tea Party strikes me as promoting ignorance and shunning intellectual discussion. I used these people as an example of how an unsavory part of a group shouldn't be held up as an example of the whole.
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Sorry, but maybe I have not been exposed to many of Tea Party gatherings, but do not see nor hear what you are proclaiming.

[Basilisa Marie]

Fair enough. I could be reading too much between the lines here: [url="http://www.teaparty.org/about.php"]http://www.teaparty.org/about.php[/url]

[Papist]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1321373040' post='2336548']
Fair enough. I could be reading too much between the lines here: [url="http://www.teaparty.org/about.php"]http://www.teaparty.org/about.php[/url]
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I think it is just they are pissed off, just as the OWS are. And when people are pissed long enough, they tend to lose some control, which both groups are guilty of. It is just from where I sit, OWSers are more out of control and unreasonable.

[dominicansoul]

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to me it would make much more sense if the protesters occupied corporate office parking lots or buildings... they wouldn't last there, but they would probably manage to disrupt one day of work.. iono... occupying a public park??? what does that do to change greedy men's hearts???

[dominicansoul]

maybe the tea party has better advice for the OWS protesters??? like, maybe, keeping protests legal and thus, more effective??? it just seems like this disruption hasn't affected the rich, as it has affected average American citizens... who are getting pretty tired of the occupations...

[she_who_is_not]

I think the problem with both the tea party movement and the OWS movement is the lack of careful and thoughtful consideration of the problems facing this country. They both stem from the concept that some entity, the government, the corporate world, ancient aliens and so forth are responsible and can fix something. My general impression of both movements is a bunch of people getting together to whine, "It's not fair" I don't think it is a matter of right or left. I don't think either group at their base level is composed of people who understand the complex details involved in governing the country. I don't think the either group at their base understands basic concepts of taxation, corporate structure, debt systems, or the institutionalization of poverty. I don't think we stand a chance as a middle class when we make either the poor or the rich "the enemy." What I would like to see is some honest searching. Politicians in search of solutions to make America stronger. We are going to have to make tough choices. At the end of the day, we are going to have increase revenue and cut spending. I think it would be razzle dazzle if people spent some time thinking of some creative ways to accomplish this, rather than raising income tax rates or cutting programs for the neediest. We need to find a way to respect one another as Americans again. I want to respect my government and I want to respect my neighbor, whether he owns his own business or draws an unemployment check. This change begins with me and reframing how I view those in different circumstances than myself. I do fear, however, that if the current political dialogue continues in this way, the middle class will be the biggest losers.

[Papist]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1321377333' post='2336559']
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to me it would make much more sense if the protesters occupied corporate office parking lots or buildings... they wouldn't last there, but they would probably manage to disrupt one day of work.. iono... occupying a public park??? what does that do to change greedy men's hearts???
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Also, they should occupy the Universities and Colleges. The increase in tuition and books in the past 20 years is insane. My nephew attends a small NC state school and his books cost more than double my tuition from 20 years ago. Those greedy Universities and Colleges need to pay their fair share of taxes and let everyone go to school free.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='she_who_is_not' timestamp='1321381237' post='2336582']
I think the problem with both the tea party movement and the OWS movement is the lack of careful and thoughtful consideration of the problems facing this country. They both stem from the concept that some entity, the government, the corporate world, ancient aliens and so forth are responsible and can fix something. My general impression of both movements is a bunch of people getting together to whine, "It's not fair" I don't think it is a matter of right or left. I don't think either group at their base level is composed of people who understand the complex details involved in governing the country. I don't think the either group at their base understands basic concepts of taxation, corporate structure, debt systems, or the institutionalization of poverty. I don't think we stand a chance as a middle class when we make either the poor or the rich "the enemy." What I would like to see is some honest searching. Politicians in search of solutions to make America stronger. We are going to have to make tough choices. At the end of the day, we are going to have increase revenue and cut spending. I think it would be razzle dazzle if people spent some time thinking of some creative ways to accomplish this, rather than raising income tax rates or cutting programs for the neediest. We need to find a way to respect one another as Americans again. I want to respect my government and I want to respect my neighbor, whether he owns his own business or draws an unemployment check. This change begins with me and reframing how I view those in different circumstances than myself. I do fear, however, that if the current political dialogue continues in this way, the middle class will be the biggest losers.
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How do you define middle-class: Income? Education? Neighborhood? Values? Culture?

[Papist]

This is your OWS.

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[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1321446660' post='2336816']
This is your OWS.

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I bet you wouldn't find that at a tea party gathering...

[Papist]

If so, MSM would sure have reported it.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1321314113' post='2336324']
As to the myth of "liberal media".
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i hope you are joking...

[4588686]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1321451727' post='2336828']
I bet you wouldn't find that at a tea party gathering...
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[4588686]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1321458863' post='2336858']

i hope you are joking...
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No, he's not. You know why he's not? Because he's probably taken the time to look at the enumerable studies that examine media content and code for political bias and has seen consistently that the media is a centrist force that may even have a mild, center-right bias. That's what the data shows. Consistently.

Most of those studies were conducted before the emergence of MSNBC as an overtly left-wing version of Fox news so maybe that's tilted it back some. But the data has been consistent.

[4588686]

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1321383550' post='2336597']
Also, they should occupy the Universities and Colleges. The increase in tuition and books in the past 20 years is insane. My nephew attends a small NC state school and his books cost more than double my tuition from 20 years ago. Those greedy Universities and Colleges need to pay their fair share of taxes and let everyone go to school free.
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You claim to have been a math major. You must have better critical thinking skills than this.

[4588686]

I don't like the occupy movement. I think most of the people in them are obnoxious and often only tangentially connected with political reality. But the hypocrisy here is astounding regarding the double standard people will hold the OWS people too vs the Tea Party people.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1321459808' post='2336863']


No, he's not. You know why he's not? Because he's probably taken the time to look at the enumerable studies that examine media content and code for political bias and has seen consistently that the media is a centrist force that may even have a mild, center-right bias. That's what the data shows. Consistently.

Most of those studies were conducted before the emergence of MSNBC as an overtly left-wing version of Fox news so maybe that's tilted it back some. But the data has been consistent.
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i don't need a study to recognize the liberal bias in the media. I don't need a study to see that some other outlets will give you what they want you to hear. All of it is slanted and tilted, shaped and cooked up because it's propaganda. There is no such thing as "true journalism" anymore when it comes to mainstream media... so, to call it a "myth" is a little far-fetched...

[4588686]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1321460384' post='2336869']


i don't need a study to recognize the liberal bias in the media. I don't need a study to see that some other outlets will give you what they want you to hear. All of it is slanted and tilted, shaped and cooked up because it's propaganda. There is no such thing as "true journalism" anymore when it comes to mainstream media... so, to call it a "myth" is a little far-fetched...
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Right. And here is the problem with the established conservatism of today's political discourse in America. You are feeling based. Never mind science, data, and rational argumet, because you have your sacrosants feelings. The data doesn't matter because you feel like there's an unfair media bias. God forbid evidence get in the way of the conservatives pathological desire to feel mistreated and slighted. It's petty masochism masquerading as a political ideology.