Art Vs. Craft

[Luigi]

[quote name='Nola Seminarian' timestamp='1322841320' post='2343635']

i need to work on expanding my vocabulary and explaining myself better, thank you, brother, for keeping me humble.
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Just something to keep in mind - when I write, and then I read what I wrote, if I find 'thing' or 'something' I have to holler at myself, "There are a million words in the English language - pick a better one!"

Since it's something I'm very aware of in my own writing, I notice it in other people's, too.


But this is not the Writing Improvement thread, so don't worry about it too much.

Edited December 2, 2011 by Luigi

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='BigJon16' timestamp='1322791839' post='2343475']



In a way, it is very much possible for architecture to reflect the architect.
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Absolutely. That's why Brutalism is quintessentially socialist/communist, and why so many horrendous churches were built in the last 40 years.

[Papist]

I believe art is beauty that appeals to the human senses. I do not believe art requires any explanation, such as the emotional story of the artist. The piece should stand on its own, such as Mozart's, Requiem, Van Gogh's Starry Night or a chef's Confit de Canard.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1322872607' post='2343821']
I believe art is beauty that appeals to the human senses. I do not believe art requires any explanation, such as the emotional story of the artist. The piece should stand on its own, such as Mozart's, Requiem, Van Gogh's Starry Night or a chef's Confit de Canard.
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The reason that we do not need an "explanation" for Mozart's Requiem is because we have been culturally prepared to do so. If we had been raised in 13th century Indonesia, we would have found it very odd indeed, having been raised to accept the sounds of the munggang to be what music is "supposed" to sound like. Indeed, even if we had been raised in 13th century [i]Germany [/i]we would find his Requiem very foreign, as the way [Western] music "works" developed drastically between the 13th and 18th centuries.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1322939365' post='2344100']
The reason that we do not need an "explanation" for Mozart's Requiem is because we have been culturally prepared to do so. If we had been raised in 13th century Indonesia, we would have found it very odd indeed, having been raised to accept the sounds of the munggang to be what music is "supposed" to sound like. Indeed, even if we had been raised in 13th century [i]Germany [/i]we would find his Requiem very foreign, as the way [Western] music "works" developed drastically between the 13th and 18th centuries.
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I don't think that not being used to a particular cultural style of art isn't the same thing as not appreciating it. I have little to no exposure to the Coptic culture, but I find Coptic chant to be sublimely beautiful. I also greatly appreciate traditional Russian chant, despite have almost no exposure to that culture either. It sounds very foreign to me, exotic in some ways, and I guess you could say "odd" if you wanted to push it a bit, but that doesn't mean I have any trouble whatsoever appreciating it as art.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Luigi' timestamp='1322783106' post='2343399']

I think it's fair to say that eveyone agrees with the obvious claim that homosexual anarchists produce the best artistic depictions of President Obama, don't you?
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Except for those who like to read Harry Potter stories.

[Socrates]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1322758511' post='2343200']
There is perhaps some overlap, but there are differences. I guess craft has to be material/tangible. I would consider music to be art, but not craft.
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Sculpture is most definitely art, yet is certainly material/tangible.



[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1322790652' post='2343471']
Once in a while I perceive that in architecture. Specifically the best of the Gothic, Baroque, and Cistercian churches, as well as a couple examples from modern periods. Taipei 101, for instance.
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Architecture is also definitely a form of art. That isn't to say that most architecture (at least in the modern age) is necessarily good art, but neither is a lot of painting, etc.

Anything beyond the most rudimentary shelter involves some form of aesthetics and artistic judgment.


I'd say that every great artist is also a skilled craftsman, yet not every craftsman is an artist.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1322941698' post='2344116']
Sculpture is most definitely art, yet is certainly material/tangible.




Architecture is also definitely a form of art. That isn't to say that most architecture (at least in the modern age) is necessarily good art, but neither is a lot of painting, etc.

Anything beyond the most rudimentary shelter involves some form of aesthetics and artistic judgment.


I'd say that every great artist is also a skilled craftsman, yet not every craftsman is an artist.
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I agree with all of this.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1322941698' post='2344116']
Sculpture is most definitely art, yet is certainly material/tangible.
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I never said that art had to be intangible.