Nihil Obstat Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 [quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1324053311' post='2352291'] i'm pretty sure Fr. Amorth isn't speaking lightly, nor is he "going to extremes" on this subject. He's speaking from experience. He's performed thousands of exorcisms and he knows what he's talking about. I'm positive he's met more than just a few people who have opened doors to demons and evil spirits through these means. "Keep sober and alert, because your enemy the devil is on the prowl like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour." -1 Peter 5 (...just wondering... how many people can't live without these measly things? are they really all that important? just something to think about...) [/quote] As I said, I'm extremely familiar with Fr. Amorth's views on things. I do think that to reject Harry Potter 100% is somewhat extreme. I do not think that it's necessary. It's his prerogative, and absolutely he's working to save souls. For some people his advice will be helpful. But it need not be applied to everybody in the same way.
dominicansoul Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1324063204' post='2352338'] As I said, I'm extremely familiar with Fr. Amorth's views on things. I do think that to reject Harry Potter 100% is somewhat extreme. I do not think that it's necessary. It's his prerogative, and absolutely he's working to save souls. For some people his advice will be helpful. But it need not be applied to everybody in the same way. [/quote] i'm familiar with his views as well. I am pretty sure his warning of potter and yoga is in the same vein of the warning we receive in Holy Scripture over money... "Money is the root of all evil," but not everyone who has money is evil..., or comes under the influence of the devil. I don't think there is a human being in the world who avoids money, we need it to live in this world, so Scripture isn't saying to reject money.... at the same time...Jesus said, "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into the kingdom of Heaven," and, "you cannot serve two masters, God and mammon." I think it is in this same vein that Father is telling us, in very clear language that he has witnessed enough to believe these two mediums have the power to sway people and bring them under diabolical influence, just as Jesus warned us about the dangers of our possessions and wealth. It is a strong warning and one shouldn't take it lightly. I dont' think this warning is just for the weak and feeble minded amongst us, but even those of us who feel we have a pretty good handle on our Faith and don't need to pay any attention to this and carry on enjoying the books and the yoga.. I think we need to be constantly aware of the diabolical influences and just how easy satan makes it to get involved in darker spirits without even realizing it... That is all I'm saying...
Nihil Obstat Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 [quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1324065101' post='2352349'] i'm familiar with his views as well. I am pretty sure his warning of potter and yoga is in the same vein of the warning we receive in Holy Scripture over money... "Money is the root of all evil," but not everyone who has money is evil..., or comes under the influence of the devil. I don't think there is a human being in the world who avoids money, we need it to live in this world, so Scripture isn't saying to reject money.... at the same time...Jesus said, "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into the kingdom of Heaven," and, "you cannot serve two masters, God and mammon." I think it is in this same vein that Father is telling us, in very clear language that he has witnessed enough to believe these two mediums have the power to sway people and bring them under diabolical influence, just as Jesus warned us about the dangers of our possessions and wealth. It is a strong warning and one shouldn't take it lightly. I dont' think this warning is just for the weak and feeble minded amongst us, but even those of us who feel we have a pretty good handle on our Faith and don't need to pay any attention to this and carry on enjoying the books and the yoga.. I think we need to be constantly aware of the diabolical influences and just how easy satan makes it to get involved in darker spirits without even realizing it... That is all I'm saying... [/quote] That's what we should take away from what Fr. Amorth is saying, but I think it's relatively clear from his statements over the years that he himself is saying that Harry Potter has no redeeming qualities and should be outright rejected by Catholics.
Lil Red Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 i think that scrupulous people should avoid Fr. Amorth.
Nihil Obstat Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1324069250' post='2352369'] i think that scrupulous people should avoid Fr. Amorth. [/quote] That would often be wise advice.
fides' Jack Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 (edited) I think dismissing anti-yogans and anti-harrypottiers (edit: huh - um, no pun intended...) as scrupulous lacks prudence. Edited December 16, 2011 by fides' Jack
Lil Red Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 [quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1324071811' post='2352390'] I think dismissing anti-yogans and anti-harrypottiers (edit: huh - um, no pun intended...) as scrupulous lacks prudence. [/quote] that's not what i'm saying.
Nihil Obstat Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 I see no blind dismissal of contrary viewpoints here. At least not in the posts that I bothered to read, and I did skip a few because I'm misanthropic and a rebellious bad*** like that. [img]http://evilnickel.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/badass21.jpg[/img]
Lil Red Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 [quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1324071811' post='2352390']I think dismissing anti-yogans and anti-harrypottiers (edit: huh - um, no pun intended...) as scrupulous lacks prudence.[/quote] my post was not intended for anyone who (likely) posted in this thread. my post is intended for those scrupulous people out there who tend to freak out (meaning, they think they're sinning) about everything because so-and-so in the Church said it.
fides' Jack Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 I'm sorry; I didn't mean to suggest that there was a blind dismissal currently in progress. I just wanted to throw that out there, because I have seen legitimate arguments about controversial issues slammed as "scrupulous" before on the forums here, and then subsequently ignored. I did not want that to happen in this thread. I'm not saying that's happening now, I'm just saying that when that word starts getting thrown around, it becomes very easy to slip into that. I agree with your statement, though. It takes a mature person to read from people like Fr. Amorth. Just like it takes an even more spiritually mature person to read from St. John of the Cross (and probably only then with a spiritual director handy).
dominicansoul Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 I've always been in the habit to pray to the Holy Spirit before reading any book that may affect me in some way. I agree with Lil Red, scrupulous people should stay clear of Fr. Amorth, and also people who tend to get a severe case of the "heebie jeebies..."
Lil Red Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 [quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1324088436' post='2352505'] I've always been in the habit to pray to the Holy Spirit before reading any book that may affect me in some way. I agree with Lil Red, scrupulous people should stay clear of Fr. Amorth, and also people who tend to get a severe case of the "heebie jeebies..." [/quote] i read one of his books at night not a good idea.
Nihil Obstat Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 The prayers he includes at the end of his books are excellent. Great cure for the heebie jeebies.
dominicansoul Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Not to mention gallons of holy water....
vee Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) http://youtu.be/IFTR2JJcKUg Edited December 23, 2011 by vee8
Maximilianus Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 [quote name='vee8' timestamp='1324604282' post='2356127'] some ned flanders clip [/quote] The depth of your Simpsons knowledge is scary
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