brianthephysicist Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1326849381' post='2370742'] A joke is never just a joke. [/quote] [img]http://chzbronies.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-brony-pinkies-gonna-pink.gif[/img]
4588686 Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='brianthephysicist' timestamp='1326850179' post='2370750'] [img]http://chzbronies.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-brony-pinkies-gonna-pink.gif[/img] [/quote] I don't have any personal animosity towards you. There are many people here, and in the real world, who are upset that reality doesn't bend to their will, and want to fundamentally discredit academic and intellectual investigation in favor of utter intellectual relativism. Jokes like yours lend credence to this idea. I understand that you weren't attempting to fundamentally deconstruct statistics as a science but the tone of this thread was that statistics were essentially a pseudo-science whose results only reflect the personal biases of the investigator and your joke is lending credence to that idea. Particularly significant since you identify as a physicist and particularly ironic since statistical mechanics are so fundamental to so much of modern physics.
dominicansoul Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 some of the comments after the article are hilarious: [quote]" Relatively few accidental pregnancies occur, in gay or lesbian marriages"....Ya think??[/quote] [quote] [color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif][size=3]Decades of research and millions of dollars have shown that hetero sex is the leading cause of pregnancy in humans.[/size][/font][/color] [/quote] [quote]"A recent study seems to confirm long held assumptions that heterosexuals are more easily able to reproduce than homosexuals."[/quote] this one isn't hilarious, it sums up nicely what this research actually concludes: [quote]This is a non sequitur. The research does not prove, or even suggest, that gays may make the best parents. It only concludes that intentional parents are more likely to do better than accidental parents.[/quote]
Papist Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1326840088' post='2370648'] Stapel's behavior was not tolerated and the guy is completely discredited and facing criminal prosecution. Sure, a scientist can theoretically be dishonest and make something up, but this is about as far as you can get from the general ethos of scientific research. I still don't quite get your point. Is there an actual connection with the research pertinent to this thread? [/quote] Yes. It is pertinent. Stapel is an example of a 'researcher' that produced reports to people who wanted the outcome of his 'research'. He was peer reviewed for years and was well published. It took students to call him out. The article has similarities of Stapel. That is, the desired outcome is believed before 'research' and data is collected. People should not blindly believe researcher's outcome just b/c they have letters after their name.
4588686 Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1326857079' post='2370861'] That is, the desired outcome is believed before 'research' and data is collected. [/quote] That's not a research flaw. That's called a hypothesis. No, I guess it's like that fraud Einstein. That charlatan believed that if his theory of relativity was correct then there would be an observable bend in the light during the eclipse. HE HELD THIS BELIEVED OUTCOME BEFORE THE DATA WAS COLLECTED AND THEN THE EXPERIMENT PROVED HIS GUESS CORRECT??????? HOW CONVENIENT!!!! FRAUD! [size=8]FRAUD, I SAY!!![/size]
ardillacid Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1326849381' post='2370742'] A joke is never just a joke. [/quote]take a deep breath! Or grab some dark chocolate if it's that time of the month. ^_^
ardillacid Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Oh noes, I made a joke about you being a woman. That must mean that I actually believe you are a woman since a joke is never just a joke
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1326857079' post='2370861'] Yes. It is pertinent. Stapel is an example of a 'researcher' that produced reports to people who wanted the outcome of his 'research'. He was peer reviewed for years and was well published. It took students to call him out. The article has similarities of Stapel. That is, the desired outcome is believed before 'research' and data is collected. People should not blindly believe researcher's outcome just b/c they have letters after their name. [/quote] Okay, some humans are liars and some scientists svck at their job, no problem there. But that's not actually evidence that there is something fraudulent or erroneous about the research in question; it's just an insinuation without value. Claiming that the researchers had a guess as to the outcome of the research before carrying it out does not establish Stapel-style misconduct. Where is the evidence commensurate with your accusation? P.S. Could you actually share the exact study or studies that you have in mind here? Just so there is no confusion. Thanks. ETA: P.P.S. I've only read the yahoo page and will confess that my bias is against that article which struck me as pretty ridiculous. I'm only taking issue with the Stapel insinuation right now. Edited January 18, 2012 by Laudate_Dominum
4588686 Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1326859337' post='2370884'] Oh noes, I made a joke about you being a woman. That must mean that I actually believe you are a woman since a joke is never just a joke [/quote] I said a joke is never just a joke. I didn't say that all jokes are actually literal assertions of their face-value content.
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1326860118' post='2370892'] Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, babe [/quote] Sounds familiar. Groucho? Freud? George Burns?
4588686 Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1326860118' post='2370892'] Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, babe [/quote] Said Freud about his intense phallic fixation manifested in his need to have a cigar in his mouth constantly while rejecting sex with his wife.
4588686 Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 [img]http://troll.me/images/casey-anthony/sometimes-a-cigar-isnt-just-a-cigar.jpg[/img]
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1326860720' post='2370895'] Said Freud about his intense phallic fixation manifested in his need to have a cigar in his mouth constantly while rejecting sex with his wife. [/quote] Ah, that's right. Thanks. lol.
ardillacid Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1326860720' post='2370895'] Said Freud about his intense phallic fixation manifested in his need to have a cigar in his mouth constantly while rejecting sex with his wife. [/quote]You're right. Freud has nothing on your ability to analyze the underlying motives of others whom you have never met based on a single innocuous one liner which happens to be brought up everytime there is a discussion on statistics.@@
ardillacid Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Brian must be a fraud because he joked about statistcs!!!1
4588686 Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1326861845' post='2370899'] You're right. Freud has nothing on your ability to analyze the underlying motives of others whom you have never met based on a single innocuous one liner which happens to be brought up everytime there is a discussion on statistics.@@ [/quote] I agree.
MissyP89 Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Well, this went downhill fast. Good job, gentlemen.
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