Anastasia13 Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 Do they have any choice on what contraceptions they must offer? For example, can they limit to the kind that blocks the meeting of sperm and egg rather than ones that can be abortificants?
add Posted January 23, 2012 Author Posted January 23, 2012 Starting August 1, any new insurance plans must include free coverage for prescription contraceptives, including plan B or the morning-after pill.
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1327154235' post='2372608'] There are companies and Catholic colleges that would completely drop their health plan if this succeeds. [/quote] The problem is if they do choose to drop health care for their employees, such organizations will be hit with a hefty fine. If an organization employs 100 people and opts not to give them insurance, then it is fined $140,000 for the privilege to follow its conscience. Before the official announcement, the Obama administration had started trying to implement this agenda on a small scale. One group they tried to force it on was my [i]alma mater[/i] Belmont Abbey College. The Monastery and College have been locked in a court case with the administration for the last two months. [url="http://www.becketfund.org/belmont-abbey-college-v-sebelius-2011-current/"]http://www.becketfund.org/belmont-abbey-college-v-sebelius-2011-current/[/url]
Papist Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 [quote name='Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam' timestamp='1327340691' post='2373829'] The problem is if they do choose to drop health care for their employees, such organizations will be hit with a hefty fine. If an organization employs 100 people and opts not to give them insurance, then it is fined $140,000 for the privilege to follow its conscience. Before the official announcement, the Obama administration had started trying to implement this agenda on a small scale. One group they tried to force it on was my [i]alma mater[/i] Belmont Abbey College. The Monastery and College have been locked in a court case with the administration for the last two months. [url="http://www.becketfund.org/belmont-abbey-college-v-sebelius-2011-current/"]http://www.becketfun...s-2011-current/[/url] [/quote] I am very familiar with the BAC case. I am good friends with Abbot Placid. Dr. Thierfelder is will not compromise on this. BAC is suing the gov'ment ,[url="http://news.charlottediocese.net/component/content/article/42-rokstories/1062-belmont-abbey-college-sues-federal-government-over-new-contraception-mandate"]http://news.charlottediocese.net/component/content/article/42-rokstories/1062-belmont-abbey-college-sues-federal-government-over-new-contraception-mandate[/url]
Papist Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 [quote name='add' timestamp='1327335834' post='2373794'] Starting August 1, any new insurance plans must include free coverage for prescription contraceptives, including plan B or the morning-after pill. [/quote] This is just one step away from mandating abortion to be included. This is so diabolical.
brianthephysicist Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1327342545' post='2373847'] This is just one step away from mandating abortion to be included. This is so diabolical. [/quote] Last I checked, morning after pill is abortion. Looks like they already did
Papist Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 [quote name='brianthephysicist' timestamp='1327346832' post='2373891'] Last I checked, morning after pill is abortion. Looks like they already did [/quote] Agreed. However, I don't think the gov'ment considers it that way.
brianthephysicist Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1327347718' post='2373901'] Agreed. However, I don't think the gov'ment considers it that way. [/quote] Officially they don't, but people the kind of pro-choice people that push stuff like this know what they're talking about and use these 'smaller' issues as a shoe in the door for even worse abuse
Papist Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 [quote name='brianthephysicist' timestamp='1327357349' post='2374030'] Officially they don't, but people the kind of pro-choice people that push stuff like this know what they're talking about and use these 'smaller' issues as a shoe in the door for even worse abuse [/quote] Like I said, diabolical.
Clare~Therese Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 [quote name='add' timestamp='1327335834' post='2373794'] Starting August 1, any new insurance plans must include free coverage for prescription contraceptives, including plan B or the morning-after pill. [/quote] August 1st of this year?
Scofizzle Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='Light and Truth' timestamp='1327333545' post='2373775'] If your household income is less than 250% of the poverty level, RXassist.org would be worth looking into for any regular prescription medications. [/quote] Well fortunately for us we are all young and healthy for now. I will keep in mind you suggestion though. My wife works at our parish and I am not certain if the parish is a stand alone "business" or if the whole diocese is under the same group for the insurance. I'm hoping all the insurance is done per each parish so they can cancel it and not be fined. If they do have to cancel the insurance we will just have to find something else. We would understand but I'm sure there are many who will not.
MaryJJD Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 this is aweful. How is it that using the argument for health insurance for all, that one would think to aim at promoting the real health and wellbeing of all, can actually include something that is obviously unhealthy and detrimental? Where are the funds for looking after AND supporting new-Mums and Mums to be in society?
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1327342446' post='2373845'] I am very familiar with the BAC case. I am good friends with Abbot Placid. Dr. Thierfelder is will not compromise on this. BAC is suing the gov'ment ,[url="http://news.charlottediocese.net/component/content/article/42-rokstories/1062-belmont-abbey-college-sues-federal-government-over-new-contraception-mandate"]http://news.charlott...ception-mandate[/url] [/quote] Nice. Abbot Placid was my spiritual director and I keep in touch with him. Do you work in the Charlotte area? I wonder if we ever ran into each other?
Papist Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam' timestamp='1327393364' post='2374324'] Nice. Abbot Placid was my spiritual director and I keep in touch with him. Do you work in the Charlotte area? I wonder if we ever ran into each other? [/quote] Yes. I live in Charlotte. Grew up in G-town. Abbot Placid was pastor of St. Michael's in G-town for a year. He was the celebrant at my wedding. Have you seen BAC's new adoration chapel?
Papist Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 [b] U.S. Bishops Vow To Fight HHS Edict[/b] [url="http://www.usccb.org/news/2012/12-012.cfm"]http://www.usccb.org/news/2012/12-012.cfm[/url]
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1327407072' post='2374330'] Yes. I live in Charlotte. Grew up in G-town. Abbot Placid was pastor of St. Michael's in G-town for a year. He was the celebrant at my wedding. Have you seen BAC's new adoration chapel? [/quote] I have. It is gorgeous and I love the way that the cross in the adoration chapel is very similar to the one in the cemetery. The Chapel opened up my senior year and I was very blessed to have the opportunity to serve the first Mass in there after Bishop Jugis consecrated it. Isn't Father Arnsparger the pastor of St. Michael's now? He is a very holy man. I got to work with him planning and running the Lenten Youth Pilgrimage to the Abbey. Edited January 24, 2012 by Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam
Papist Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam' timestamp='1327426962' post='2374487'] I have. It is gorgeous and I love the way that the cross in the adoration chapel is very similar to the one in the cemetery. The Chapel opened up my senior year and I was very blessed to have the opportunity to serve the first Mass in there after Bishop Jugis consecrated it. Isn't Father Arnsparger the pastor of St. Michael's now? He is a very holy man. I got to work with him planning and running the Lenten Youth Pilgrimage to the Abbey. [/quote] Guess we kind of hijacked this thread. I'll PM you.
Socrates Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='Lisa' timestamp='1327098780' post='2372259'] Is there any legal possibility that this could be repealed under a new administration? [/quote] [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1327157371' post='2372622'] How can this be legal, to mandate this? [/quote] If there was still minimal regard for the Constitution in this country, this mandate would not be recognized as legal at all. [quote name='Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam' timestamp='1327340691' post='2373829'] The problem is if they do choose to drop health care for their employees, such organizations will be hit with a hefty fine. If an organization employs 100 people and opts not to give them insurance, then it is fined $140,000 for the privilege to follow its conscience. Before the official announcement, the Obama administration had started trying to implement this agenda on a small scale. One group they tried to force it on was my [i]alma mater[/i] Belmont Abbey College. The Monastery and College have been locked in a court case with the administration for the last two months. [url="http://www.becketfund.org/belmont-abbey-college-v-sebelius-2011-current/"]http://www.becketfun...s-2011-current[/url] [/quote] My undergrad alma mater Christendom is fighting this Obamanation too. The danger it poses to Catholic schools and other institutions serious about their Faith is very real, and not some crazy slippery-slope hysteria. Of course, our good friends at Commonweal assure us all is well, as such organizations can simply drop health coverage or resign. (All praise Dear Leader for his Leniency!) Of course, you can count on the "Catholic" bleeding hearts on here to dismiss this as all a lot of crazy talk by radical extremists. It's sad that standing up for basic Constitutional freedom of religion is now seen as extreme and radical, and that prominent "Catholics" are adamantly defending the State against their Church.
Luigi Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 I e-mailed my comments on this topic to the White House. You can, too. [url="http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments"]http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments[/url]
add Posted January 25, 2012 Author Posted January 25, 2012 [quote name='Luigi' timestamp='1327450043' post='2374693'] I e-mailed my comments on this topic to the White House. You can, too. [url="http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments"]http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments[/url] [/quote] Why bother?
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