Paladin D Posted May 4, 2004 Posted May 4, 2004 I though I'd never see the day... [img]http://members.lycos.co.uk/thematrixd/BishopFulton1.jpg[/img] [img]http://members.lycos.co.uk/thematrixd/BishopFulton2.jpg[/img] [img]http://members.lycos.co.uk/thematrixd/BishopFulton3.jpg[/img] Program just ended a couple minutes ago.
M.SIGGA Posted May 4, 2004 Posted May 4, 2004 They are sort of all inclusive actually; that's why a lot of anti-Catholic evangelicals believe Paul Crouch is in apostasy. There is also a "Fr. Mike" program that comes on Sundays which shows the Mass, and it's not Anglican They once did a program on a TBN pilgrimage to Rome and they talked about St. Peter's Basilica and other Basilicas in the Ancient City. On one of their commercials they used to show Dr. and Mrs. Crouch (the lady with the crazy blue hair) greeting JP2 passing in his Pope mobile. Also I was watching once when they were talking about opening a new station in Moscow, and a mysterious white veiled beautiful woman (BVM?) approached them in the snow in a large crowd and said "Thank you" and handed them a blooming Rose and then just disappeared. Since I've fully become Catholic again I don't watch TBN anymore that much, but I'm not totally surprised
Seven77 Posted May 4, 2004 Posted May 4, 2004 wow! Bishop Sheen representin for the Holy Apostolic Church. yeah, what! Fr. Mike? thats Fr. Michael Manning i think who used to be on EWTN before... M.Sigga: wow..
Paladin D Posted May 4, 2004 Author Posted May 4, 2004 On Wednesdays, there is a orthodox Catholic priest that has his own show.
Katholikos Posted May 4, 2004 Posted May 4, 2004 It would be interesting to know who paid for the air time for Bishop Sheen's program. You can bet it wasn't donated or offered for the public good free of charge. Fr. Manning has always been on TBN, never on EWTN (that I know of). He's been there for years. TBN has a lot of Catholic symbolism on their set -- e.g., pictures of the Madonna -- for one reason only. The want Catholics to "feel at home" and give 'em their money. And many of them do. It's not talked about, but Paul and Jan own TBN -- the largest TV network in the world -- free and clear. It is bigger than NBC, ABC, CBS, and Fox combined. It was paid for and is supported by donations. Donors should look at Jan's and Paul's clothes and they'd be singing . . . "that's where my money goes, to buy my baby clothes...." Paul's designer shirts alone cost big bucks. TBN will be inherited not by any church but by the Crouch's two sons. It's personal and private property. Grrrrrrrrrr. Time for another Jim-and-Tammy exposé. But the network is still theirs.
M.SIGGA Posted May 4, 2004 Posted May 4, 2004 A lot of TBN promotes AOG pentecostalism, which I don't necessarily agree with (ex. the teachings of Benny Hinn), but for the most part I think they look like nice people - plus they used to show Bishop T.D. Jakes from [i]The Potter's House[/i], and I think he is awesome. Plus it was reported that they went out of the way in [i]Omega Code II [/i]to not include anything about the Rapture so Catholics wouldn't be offended, but that movie still had some wierd Catholic symbolism related to the AntiChrist - plus there is the whole anti-denominationalism, but I guess that would not apply to Catholics anyway since the Catholic Church isn't a denomination
M.SIGGA Posted May 4, 2004 Posted May 4, 2004 [quote name='Katholikos' date='May 4 2004, 03:49 PM'] TBN has a lot of Catholic symbolism on their set -- e.g., pictures of the Madonna -- for one reason only. The want Catholics to "feel at home" and give 'em their money. And many of them do. [/quote] I also think it is also for the many Hispanic and Latino-American coverts to the AOG Pentecostal Churches, who don't necessarily "throw out" their Catholic spirituality, like devotion to the BVM. Also much of their broadcasting is in Catholic countries. Marian images are somewhat a part of the their culture so I guess they aren't necessarily opposed to seeing that sort of stuff. There is also a Sacred Heart-Christ the King popular Catholic image in their lobby at the Nashville studio.
Katholikos Posted May 4, 2004 Posted May 4, 2004 [quote name='M.SIGGA' date='May 4 2004, 04:10 PM'] A lot of TBN promotes AOG pentecostalism, which I don't necessarily agree with (ex. the teachings of Benny Hinn), but for the most part I think they look like nice people - plus they used to show Bishop T.D. Jakes from [i]The Potter's House[/i], and I think he is awesome. Plus it was reported that they went out of the way in [i]Omega Code II [/i]to not include anything about the Rapture so Catholics wouldn't be offended, but that movie still had some wierd Catholic symbolism related to the AntiChrist - plus there is the whole anti-denominationalism, but I guess that would not apply to Catholics anyway since the Catholic Church isn't a denomination [/quote] Yeah, I agree that "they" (Paul and Jan Crouch and company) [b]look[/b] like very nice, [b]rich[/b] people. They aim to proselytze Catholics. They're "spreading the Gospel to places that most need it" (Rome, for example, and Catholic countries). "A man may smile and smile and be a villian" (Hamlet).
Katholikos Posted May 4, 2004 Posted May 4, 2004 [quote name='M.SIGGA' date='May 4 2004, 04:17 PM'] I also think it is also for the many Hispanic and Latino-American coverts to the AOG Pentecostal Churches, who don't necessarily "throw out" their Catholic spirituality, like devotion to the BVM. Also much of their broadcasting is in Catholic countries. Marian images are somewhat a part of the their culture so I guess they aren't necessarily opposed to seeing that sort of stuff. There is also a Sacred Heart-Christ the King popular Catholic image in their lobby at the Nashville studio. [/quote] Converts to the AOG "throw out their spirituality" when they deny the Eucharist. Catholic trappings are employed by TBN purely to draw Catholics in; they are not representative of their beliefs. I can't feel benevolent toward a religion that draws Catholic out of the only True Church and feeds them false religion.
M.SIGGA Posted May 4, 2004 Posted May 4, 2004 [quote name='Katholikos' date='May 4 2004, 04:27 PM'] Converts to the AOG "throw out their spirituality" when they deny the Eucharist. Catholic trappings are employed by TBN purely to draw Catholics in; they are not representative of their beliefs. I can't feel benevolent toward a religion that draws Catholic out of the only True Church and feeds them false religion. [/quote] I agree; all I was trying to say is that some of them still like Mary a little bit. [quote]Catholic trappings are employed by TBN purely to draw Catholics in; they are not representative of their beliefs. I can't feel benevolent toward a religion that draws Catholic out of the only True Church and feeds them false religion.[/quote] All Protestants, especially evangel. prots, in a sense do this to some degree, but all I was saying they seem to be sincere in their "brand" of Christianity, and since while ignorant of the Truth of the Catholic Church, I can't totally hold it against them. I don't think TBN is purposely malicious and wicked, like Jimmy Swaggart or Dr. James Kennedy, and I give them a little credit because TBN isn't as bad as some of the others. Plus they do a lot of good too.
Katholikos Posted May 4, 2004 Posted May 4, 2004 [quote name='M.SIGGA' date='May 4 2004, 04:42 PM'] I agree; all I was trying to say is that some of them still like Mary a little bit. All Protestants, especially evangel. prots, in a sense do this to some degree, but all I was saying they seem to be sincere in their "brand" of Christianity, and since while ignorant of the Truth of the Catholic Church, I can't totally hold it against them. I don't think TBN is purposely malicious and wicked, like Jimmy Swaggart or Dr. James Kennedy, and I give them a little credit because TBN isn't as bad as some of the others. Plus they do a lot of good too. [/quote] Thanks for clarifying. I was interested in your statement about James Kennedy. I've applauded his sermons on abortion, though I don't agree with his theology. You must know something I don't.
M.SIGGA Posted May 5, 2004 Posted May 5, 2004 [quote name='Katholikos' date='May 4 2004, 04:58 PM'] Thanks for clarifying. I was interested in your statement about James Kennedy. I've applauded his sermons on abortion, though I don't agree with his theology. You must know something I don't. [/quote] I also think Dr. Kennedy did a spectacular job debunking the Davinci Code, but he is 100% Calvinist in my opinion, and really really doesn't like the Church and it's "errors". Maybe I shouldn't have discredited him though, because I think it's more of an ignorance thing about Catholicism with him, but Jimmy Swaggart can't preach a single sermon without blaming the Pope for some sort of modern day atrocity, and often misquotes to prove his point. It's also noteworthy that Swaggart considers Paul Crouch & TBN, Pat Robertson & The 700 Club, Dr. Bill Bright & Campus Crusade, and the whole Billy Graham Crusade to be totally apostate for it's "friendliness" towards Catholics
traichuoi Posted May 5, 2004 Posted May 5, 2004 i was flipping through the channels and i saw that...i actually was flipping so fast i had to flip back to the channel...kinda like a double take...craziness!
M.SIGGA Posted May 5, 2004 Posted May 5, 2004 [quote name='Katholikos' date='May 4 2004, 04:22 PM'] Yeah, I agree that "they" (Paul and Jan Crouch and company) [b]look[/b] like very nice, [b]rich[/b] people. They aim to proselytze Catholics. They're "spreading the Gospel to places that most need it" (Rome, for example, and Catholic countries). "A man may smile and smile and be a villian" (Hamlet). [/quote] From the POV of a faithful Catholic, I totally can agree, but I also see how they have lead many wayward sinners, agnostics, pagans, and atheists to Christ, and that's why I give them some props. Some might disagree with me, but if someone is a faithless/former/ lapsed/ "recovering" Catholic who was living in mortal sin, or almost going straight to hell, I don't object to the idea of them finding a relationship with Jesus in a Protestant church. If anything, I believe it is a call from the Holy Spirit of them to come back to fully knowing Jesus in the Catholic Faith because all roads point to Rome I can personally testify to this. I hope I've clarified my position and please point out if I'm in error. Peace.
Paladin D Posted May 5, 2004 Author Posted May 5, 2004 Kim Clement (a claimed prophet) gave a "prophecy" that the next Pope will help bring Catholics and Protestants together. His congregation didn't really like the sound of it though.
Katholikos Posted May 6, 2004 Posted May 6, 2004 I was surfing by Channel 21 (TBN) the other day and saw this guy, Ken Clement, advertised on the TV screen as a PROPHET in huge letters. Yeah, sure. Why should Joseph Smith be the only self-proclaimed Christian "prophet" and rake in all the bucks, even from his grave? And here's Ken, prophesying about the future. Did he claim he got this prophecy from God? :rotfl: Can anyone spell f-r-a-u-d?
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