Usccb: Fast February 3Rd For Food Insecurity/climate Change

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1328222358' post='2379792']
That's razzle dazzle. Here's kind of what I'm thinking about it: Maybe HHS stuff is happening too. This is a one day fast and perhaps this has been planned for a while. And I'm sure there are lots of different prayer intentions on different days. Nothing but HHS can be prayed for all of a sudden? Why is this particular intention being made fun of? Because caring about food insecurity and climate issues is "liberal?" I actually don't think that is true btw. [url="http://catholicclimatecovenant.org/catholic-teachings/vatican-messages/"]http://catholicclima...tican-messages/[/url]

But if they were saying to fast for popular issues like an end to abortion, or something else other than the threats to people in the third world, I doubt people would even notice, much less balk and trivialize the intention.
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"You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day"

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='brandelynmarie' timestamp='1328194443' post='2379562']
The theme of the February First Fridays for Food Security initiative is food insecurity and climate change. “Food insecurity is also a serious problem globally and is often intensified by climate change,” states a USCCB flyer. “According to a recent report by the Food and Agriculture Organization, climate change will significantly affect the availability of water for growing food and for crop production globally. This will disproportionately affect poor people in rural areas whose livelihoods are closely connected to agriculture and natural resources.”[/quote]
I would also note that this doesn't require one to accept anthropogenic global warming, Al Gore's film, Kyoto Protocol, or anything else of the sort. The rising long-term global average temperatures, threats in many parts of the world of increasing drought and desertification, et cetera, are hard to deny. Of course I think the science of climate change is perfectly valid, including anthropogenic forcings, but I realize that there is a lot of conflicting information out there and many people can't bother with sorting through it. Anyway, the prayer intention does not strike me as charged or political. Edit: removed excess verbiage.

Edited February 2, 2012 by Laudate_Dominum

[4588686]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1328221810' post='2379784']
i don't disagree, L_D. i'm not saying "Don't ever talk/pray/fast" about this issue. I'm saying, "Let's talk/pray/fast about religious freedom, else we won't get to talk about why we think the other stuff is important". I don't think it's an either/or - but a both/and (lol, well, we [i]are[/i] Catholic!)...just a matter of priorities.
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But there is no serious threat to the religious freedom of Christians in this country.

[Amppax]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1328230586' post='2379880']
But there is no serious threat to the religious freedom of Christians in this country.
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So you think that our belief that contraception and abortion are wrong, and that we cannot in morally provide these services to anyone isn't a religious belief?

Edited February 3, 2012 by Amppax

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[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1328222061' post='2379786']
Sad day. Brother Adam has turned his back on the issues that Jesus actually championed in the Bible, caring for the poor and oppressed, and has elected instead to serve the power nexus of corporate manipulation and right wing politics. This is why Christianity is becoming irrelevant as a transformative ideology.
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[color=#282828]"You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day"[/color]

[4588686]

[quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1328230709' post='2379882']
So you think that our belief that contraception and abortion are wrong, and that we cannot in morally provide these services to anyone isn't a religious belief?
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You're perfectly within your rights to believe that birth control is a sin. But, as Native Americans who want to smoke Peyote as part of their religious practices have long known, right to religious belief does not mean you can do whatever you want under the guise of religious doctrine. You can thank Justice Scalia.

No Catholic is being forces to use Birth Control. But some Catholic employers, not all, there is a narrow exemption, are being forced to provide insurance for their employees, just like everybody else. And like everybody else this Insurance must cover Birth Control.

In other words, you are not being permitted to compel your employees towards piety.

This of course would not be an issue if we had a single payer health care system. This is the result of two conservative trends, the conservatives on the USSC (Employment Division v. Smith) and the conservative policy makers who want to retain privatized insurance, converging to bite the religious right in the arse. Law of unintended consequences, I suppose.

[dominicansoul]

i'm kind of scrupulous when it comes to fasting...


what exactly are we supposed to do again? eat two small meals and one large meal? But I find myself eating once a day because i don't have time for any other meals... I think I fast everyday! hahaha

[Groo the Wanderer]

meditated.

global warming is real, but it aint cause of us. it's part of the natural cycle God built into the planet's ecosphere. Seriously?! Seems rather arrogant of people to think we could actually wreck something this big. the nukes in the pacific didn;t do it...why would some cars and cow fluffy air extractions?

[Slappo]

I actually thought the funniest thing was $18 bucks for a family of 4 as "fasting"...

With 18 bucks I can buy 4 red baron pizza's on sale at fred meyers, and I live in freaking alaska where everything costs more because of freight charges. Heck, with the extra 2 dollars (since it's only $16 for the pizza), I can buy a thing of rice to supplement. Oh.. and water to drink of course.

go to costco and I can only imagine what $18 bucks could get you. I think a 50lb bag of rice actually...

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1328222061' post='2379786']
Sad day. Brother Adam has turned his back on the issues that Jesus actually championed in the Bible, caring for the poor and oppressed, and has elected instead to serve the power nexus of corporate manipulation and right wing politics. This is why Christianity is becoming irrelevant as a transformative ideology.
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The logic is not strong with this one, Yoda. Actually, this might be a new record for logical fallicies in one sentence at phatmass.

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1328234854' post='2379933']


go to costco and I can only imagine what $18 bucks could get you. [/quote]

12 huge hots dog and 12 large sodas!!!!

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1328220323' post='2379774']
Okay, the politics of climate change. Doesn't address the science. Also, that can go the other way. The (industry funded) think tanks that originate the majority of anti-climate science talking points have a vested interest in generating fear, uncertainty, and doubt on the matter. Naomi Oreskes' [i]Merchants of Doubt[/i] documents this phenomenon quite well. Anyway, I think this illustrates precisely why it is best to make the distinctions. "Politics advances by debate and everyone's opinion matters. Science advances by evidence and nobody's opinion matters." ETA: But anyway, insinuating that the liberal response (whatever that is exactly) is based on greed and anti-freedom ideology doesn't invalidate the science and doesn't really address the projected impacts of climate change.
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Exactly, which is why the goals of the political left and right ultimately aren't much different. It's about money.

[4588686]

[quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1328237480' post='2379960']
Actually, this might be a new record for logical fallicies in one sentence at phatmass.
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Alright, let's see the logical fallacies. I may be wrong, although I'm not, but an incorrect assertion is different from a logical fallacy.

[quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1328237805' post='2379965']
Exactly, which is why the goals of the political left and right ultimately aren't much different. It's about money.
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That's certainly true for the corporations who have duped you.

[brandelynmarie]

Wow...did this post go every which way. I was focusing on the day of fasting aspect. Whatever is happening with the weather (Global warming vs earth cycle ) will affect crops & cost of food here as well as everywhere else.




[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1328211068' post='2379684']
no, nothing 'wrong' with it, but considering all that's happening with the HHS & Obama's administration, I would think it prudent of them to fast for something slightly more pressing...
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Personally, I will be adding the whole HHS issue to the food insecurity/climate changes issue.




[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1328237677' post='2379962']
12 huge hots dog and 12 large sodas!!!!
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And you know this exactly how?

Edited February 3, 2012 by brandelynmarie

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1328237990' post='2379966']
[b]Alright, let's see the logical fallacies.[/b]

[b]That's certainly true for the corporations who have duped you.[/b]
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You're the gift that just keeps on giving.

[4588686]

[quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1328238370' post='2379970']
You're the gift that just keeps on giving.
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Right. This makes your second evasion. You're getting boring.

[brandelynmarie]

[quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1328220016' post='2379772']
Perhaps the liberal response that global warming is a problem from which there is a lot of money to be made while restricting freedom.
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I have actually wondered if this is what is really happening. What I find weird is that Al Gore still drives an SUV. If he is so worried about a carbon foot print & what-not, how can he do that in good conscience?

Edited February 3, 2012 by brandelynmarie

[4588686]

[quote name='brandelynmarie' timestamp='1328238475' post='2379973']
I have actually wondered if this is what is really happening. What I find weird is that Al Gore still drives an SUV. If he is so worried about a carbon foot print & what-not, how can he do that in good conscience?
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Al Gore is not a climate scientist. He's a politician who has decided to resurrect his failed/arguably stolen political career by becoming (again) an environmental activist. The case for man made/exacerbated global warming does not rest on Al Gore's movie.

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1328238456' post='2379972']
Right. This makes your second evasion. You're getting boring.
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Because it would be a waste of my time to actually go through and list all of the ways you have erred. At best, like the fundamentalists that used to be around here, you'd ignore it and find a different line of attack. Your wierd fixation on me is what is really truly boring. LD at least did not make assumptions and had a rational response, and not surprisingly, we agreed.

[4588686]

[quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1328238948' post='2379978']
Because it would be a waste of my time to actually go through and list all of the ways you have erred.[/QUOTE]

Of course

[QUOTE]At best, like the fundamentalists that used to be around here, you'd ignore it and find a different line of attack.[/QUOTE]

I think I reverse myself and openly admit that I have been proven wrong more than many people here.

[QUOTE]Your wierd fixation on me is what is really truly boring.[/QUOTE]

Hm. A little narcissistic, aren't we? I don't have a fixation on you. Unless I'm directly responding to one of your posts I'm only very vaguely aware that you're a member here. You're not like Socrates, Winchester, or Aloysius et cetera whose opinions I disagree with but respect. You don't, as far as I see, make particularly thoughtful arguments. Most that I see are what you presented here initially, glib and annoyingly cliched. So I don't usually pay attention to your posts. The times that I do I generally find them annoying. Like here. That you've contrived a fixation out of my actual opinion of you, probably a nice, intelligent guy who annoyingly seems to express his thoughts in cliches and paraphrases of the typical rhetoric, is somewhat strange.


[QUOTE]LD at least did not make assumptions and had a rational response, and not surprisingly, we agreed.
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I think LD was far more polite, and thoughtful, than me in his response to your silly post, but I wouldn't call it an agreement.

Edited February 3, 2012 by Hasan