Santorum

[Winchester]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1334085478' post='2415442']
No. But Newt staying and taking away just enough votes to give Romney wins he shouldn't have other wise had no doubt helped this day to come about.
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Anyone dumb enough to vote for Newt wasn't going to vote for anyone worth a croutons, anyway.

This:
[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1334086344' post='2415454']
i can't risk that....sadly, voting third party means obama will surely win... we just can't have it... i want to vote third party too, i want to vote ron paul but he just doesn't have the numbers...he's just tooo way behind and obama will clobber romney without our support...[/quote]
Is why this:
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...hopefully, in the years to come, the third party candidate will be a viable contender....
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Will never happen.

[Papist]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1334085646' post='2415445']
*sigh*


...another election where I am forced to vote [i]against[/i] someone... it will be nice to someday vote [i]for[/i] someone and be happy about it....
[/quote]

Seems like that is the standard, which is why politicians talk more about their opponents than themselves.

[XIX]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1334085948' post='2415449']
I'll be doing that this year. I've freed myself from the two party only system and mentality. I would encourage all others to do the same.
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[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1334085948' post='2415449']
I'll be doing that this year. I've freed myself from the two party only system and mentality. I would encourage all others to do the same.
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I agree. I think that "strategically" voting for Mitt Romney Republicans will delay the inevitable. I get voting strategically and it's a perfectly moral option. It's just not a good strategy IMO. The endgame of our current two-party system is basically the same: as long as moderate GOPs and radical Dems contibue to split the riches, we will eventually end up with limitless amounts of debt and abortion still legal in practically every circumstance.

The good news is that the pro-life movement has made progress in spite of the current political climate.

[KnightofChrist]

I could vote for Mitt Romney if I could actually buy that he is prolife. But I don't believe he is, and my conscience tells me it would be morally illicit to vote for someone I believe to be prochoice and only giving pretense of being prolife.

The whole "but he's not Obama" argument would work too if I didn't believe he was just like Obama.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1334086415' post='2415455']
Anyone dumb enough to vote for Newt wasn't going to vote for anyone worth a croutons, anyway.

This:

Is why this:

Will never happen.
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it can happen... believe me, if we had someone who appealed to thousands upon thousands of more people than ron paul is able, the third party candidate would have a chance....

I am still scratching my head as to what it is about him that doesn't get him the votes he needs? Most people i talk to thinks he's nuts...


sadly, the votes in these primaries show ron paul dead last almost every time... I would have definitely voted for him in my state's primary (and still will vote for him, if he's still in the race by that time...)

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1334087085' post='2415460']
I could vote for Mitt Romney if I could actually buy that he is prolife. But I don't believe he is, and my conscience tells me it would be morally illicit to vote for someone I believe to be prochoice and only giving pretense of being prolife.

The whole "but he's not Obama" argument would work too if I didn't believe he was just like Obama.
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you have something here...

[Lil Red]

[quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1334085559' post='2415444']
Why did we get rid of the projectile vomit smiley?
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is the best we got.

[Winchester]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1334087713' post='2415462']
it can happen... believe me, if we had someone who appealed to thousands upon thousands of more people than ron paul is able, the third party candidate would have a chance....

I am still scratching my head as to what it is about him that doesn't get him the votes he needs? Most people i talk to thinks he's nuts...


sadly, the votes in these primaries show ron paul dead last almost every time... I would have definitely voted for him in my state's primary (and still will vote for him, if he's still in the race by that time...)
[/quote]
The whole "I won't crack your neighbor's skull to give you his stuff" is a problem for lots of people. Then there's the not blowing up other people to make us safe.

[r2Dtoo]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1334084816' post='2415439']
The satan stuff was what a year or two before the election. It was dug up by Romney's character assassins. There's a lot of other bullflop in your post but whatever who cares.
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Thank you for correcting me on the Satan stuff. Care to point out what other "bullflop" my post supposedly is or do you just like denial?

You might not like how Rick Santorum is seen. Maybe alot of it isn't true, but that's how Americans see him, and it's Santorum's own fault for playing into the mainstream media's hands.

Edited April 10, 2012 by r2Dtoo

[BG45]

You have to love, politically, Romney's campaign digging up Santorum's endorsement of him in the last Republican race. Saying Romney was the only true conservative choice.

[quote name='brianthephysicist' timestamp='1334086014' post='2415450']
welp...looks like I'm voting 3rd party this year...
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I have in both my Presidential elections thus far...

[MissyP89]

Clearly, the only solution is to get a Phatmasser into the White House. Isn't that in our mission statement ... infiltrating the whole world?





*sigh* I really hate this. I don't want to vote for Romney. I don't want to vote third party because I don't want to give Obama a millimeter of advantage.

We've got to change this system. But it's difficult not to feel helpless.

Edited April 10, 2012 by MissyP89

[BG45]

[quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1334092026' post='2415495']
*sigh* I really hate this. I don't want to vote for Romney. I don't want to vote third party because I don't want to give Obama a millimeter of advantage.

[/quote]

This sounds suspiciously like the McCain/Obama talk...

So what PMer is old enough to run? We can all form a SuperPAC.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1334091219' post='2415486']
You have to love, politically, Romney's campaign digging up Santorum's endorsement of him in the last Republican race. Saying Romney was the only true conservative choice.[/quote]

I don't believe it helped Romney much though politically. Conservatives are no more convinced he is a conservative. But yeah it was a BIG mistake to say Romney, a Socialist Moderate, was a Conservative.


[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1334091219' post='2415486']I have in both my Presidential elections thus far...
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[Brother Adam]

[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1334092784' post='2415499']


This sounds suspiciously like the McCain/Obama talk...

So what PMer is old enough to run? We can all form a SuperPAC.
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Winchester 2012

[HomeTeamFamily]

I am just as frustrated at the options in this coming election cycle. I think the question we need to address is not conservative or liberal but rather what is the role of government. Having a big government conservative is no more helpful in the long run than having a big government liberal; we just get to feel better about ourselves because we tend to believe in the agenda that that government is pushing.

As sad as it may sound, maybe Obama winning will be good for the conservative wing long term, forcing it to reevaluate what it believes and hopefully framing the choices as "big versus little government" not "liberal versus conservative agenda"

[Clare~Therese]

This year I'm glad I can't vote yet.

[Adrestia]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1334086344' post='2415454']
i can't risk that....sadly, voting third party means obama will surely win... we just can't have it... i want to vote third party too, i want to vote ron paul but he just doesn't have the numbers...he's just tooo way behind and obama will clobber romney without our support...


...hopefully, in the years to come, the third party candidate will be a viable contender....
[/quote]

I'm pretty sure the Repub candidate will take our state even if you vote 3rd party. We should both write in Winnie.

[eagle_eye222001]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1334086344' post='2415454']
i can't risk that....sadly, voting third party means obama will surely win... we just can't have it... i want to vote third party too, i want to vote ron paul but he just doesn't have the numbers...he's just tooo way behind and obama will clobber romney without our support...


...hopefully, in the years to come, the third party candidate will be a viable contender....
[/quote]

The question is......is Romney that much better than Obama?

I'll make another thread sometime on this.



Santorum proved something. He went from a joke guy in a pickup in Iowa to a serious threat against Romney. This proves that one should not dismiss all the third-party losers right away. Just because the press hasn't pre-selected someone to win, doesn't mean they can't. Yes Santorum is very likely not going to make it. However, [b]NO ONE THOUGHT HE WOULD GET THIS FAR!!!![/b]

[b]Santorum is a miracle because he made it this far. [/b]

Whether you liked the guy or not, no one had money on this guy 4-5 months ago. He went terribly far given his initial starting position, and I'm sure he made Romney nervous for several weeks.

[brianthephysicist]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1334086415' post='2415455']
Anyone dumb enough to vote for Newt wasn't going to vote for anyone worth a croutons, anyway.

This:

Is why this:

Will never happen.
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Winchester you beat me to it.


Seriously though, if we start voting third party, then the percentage of people voting third party will start to rise and next election it will be higher and we keep going and they will eventually have to pay attention.

I'm not just voting for the world I want to live in for the next 4 years, I'm voting for the world I want to live in for the rest of my life and the life of my future children and grandchildren.

[eagle_eye222001]

[quote name='HomeTeamFamily' timestamp='1334094527' post='2415507']
I am just as frustrated at the options in this coming election cycle. I think the question we need to address is not conservative or liberal but rather what is the role of government. Having a big government conservative is no more helpful in the long run than having a big government liberal; we just get to feel better about ourselves because we tend to believe in the agenda that that government is pushing.

As sad as it may sound, maybe Obama winning will be good for the conservative wing long term, forcing it to reevaluate what it believes and hopefully framing the choices as "big versus little government" not "liberal versus conservative agenda"
[/quote]

Exactly.

[quote name='Clare~Therese' timestamp='1334094720' post='2415509']
This year I'm glad I can't vote yet.

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Because the person you want to win won't win?

We can't only be excited when our favorite person has a decent chance of winning. We have to be ready for losses. Voting in any scenario is not about relishing the thrill of being on the winning side, but rather the chance to vote for what you believe in.