Noah And The Great Flood

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1335296195' post='2422810']
You're all crazy.
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nah, we are just happy Catholics

[mortify]

[quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1335296195' post='2422810']
You're all crazy.
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[color=#222222]I guess it’s more sensible to believe Noah was a Mesopotamian merchant, who saved a few chickens and goats during a local flood, eh? [/color]

[Laudate_Dominum]

Maybe the flood is what sank the lost city of Atlantis in one day. And maybe extraterrestrials taught Noah how to make an ark that would be bigger on the inside. If so, Genesis would be historical evidence of Gallifrey.

How'm I doing?

P.S. I'm totally going to visit the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_Museum"]Creation Museum[/url] one of these days. It's not too far.

Edited April 25, 2012 by Laudate_Dominum

[Amppax]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1335333953' post='2423089']
Maybe the flood is what sank the lost city of Atlantis in one day. And maybe extraterrestrials taught Noah how to make an ark that would be bigger on the inside. If so, Genesis would be historical evidence of Gallifrey.

How'm I doing?

P.S. I'm totally going to visit the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_Museum"]Creation Museum[/url] one of these days. It's not too far.
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I don't like admitting this, but the Creation Museum is about 15-20 minutes from my house.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1335359446' post='2423130']


I don't like admitting this, but the Creation Museum is about 15-20 minutes from my house.
[/quote]amesome, just because of the State.

[fides' Jack]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1335333953' post='2423089']
Maybe the flood is what sank the lost city of Atlantis in one day. And maybe extraterrestrials taught Noah how to make an ark that would be bigger on the inside.
[/quote]

Oh, like a reversed Gabriel's Horn, or maybe something like the bag of that evil witch Mary Poppins...

BTW, Atlantis isn't lost. It's in the Pegasus galaxy.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1335359446' post='2423130']
I don't like admitting this, but the Creation Museum is about 15-20 minutes from my house.
[/quote]

wow what a weird place!

[mortify]

Im just giving the Divine Author of Genesis the benefit of the doubt

[fides' Jack]

[quote name='mortify' timestamp='1335385148' post='2423311']
Im just giving the Divine Author of Genesis the benefit of the doubt
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Oh, I believe in the story of the flood as portrayed in the bible. I'm just calling everyone crazy for the fun of it.

Sorry!

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1335359446' post='2423130']
I don't like admitting this, but the Creation Museum is about 15-20 minutes from my house.
[/quote]
In my belief it's a lot further away somewhere in the pegasus galaxy.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1335333953' post='2423089']
Maybe the flood is what sank the lost city of Atlantis in one day. And maybe extraterrestrials taught Noah how to make an ark that would be bigger on the inside. If so, Genesis would be historical evidence of Gallifrey.

How'm I doing?

[/quote]
If you circle the sun in a loopy way and go back 5 or 6k years and get some guy to write that on an old scroll you'd be amazed at how many people today would believe it true. Maybe you should tell the creationists to fax you their credit card details while you're at it.

[mortify]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1335483583' post='2423733']
If you circle the sun in a loopy way and go back 5 or 6k years and get some guy to write that on an old scroll you'd be amazed at how many people today would believe it true. Maybe you should tell the creationists to fax you their credit card details while you're at it.
[/quote]

Interesting Mark, so why do you believe in things like the Virgin Birth and resurrection? Or do you?

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1335483583' post='2423733']

If you circle the sun in a loopy way and go back 5 or 6k years and get some guy to write that on an old scroll you'd be amazed at how many people today would believe it true. Maybe you should tell the creationists to fax you their credit card details while you're at it.
[/quote]But when Kirk did hat he just went back to the 1980s.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='mortify' timestamp='1335501792' post='2423848']
Interesting Mark, so why do you believe in things like the Virgin Birth and resurrection? Or do you?
[/quote]
Some things make sense and some don't. Four gospels quote Jesus' (God) depiction of the resurrection, which is very logical and very believable. I sense the existence of my own soul, (Consciousness) so it is believable for it to exist after death. A literal translation of the OT in its entirety is illogical captain! If creationism is true then all the theologans (Popes, saints, priests, whatevuh) have wasted an enormous anount of time studying the very complex, deep and multilayered meaning of scripture. Simple minds seek simple explanations, which is okay, but there is a line of logical credibility or else we will be what is commonly known as gullible! It is also illogical to argue with creationists, so I don't intend to take this further, I was just being a troll in support of my mate.
[quote name='Archaeology cat' timestamp='1335537041' post='2423923']
But when Kirk did hat he just went back to the 1980s.
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Be imaginative, LD has some sophisticated technology.

[mortify]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1335562703' post='2424104']
Some things make sense and some don't. Four gospels quote Jesus' (God) depiction of the resurrection, which is very logical and very believable. I sense the existence of my own soul, (Consciousness) so it is believable for it to exist after death.[/quote]

Why is it logical to believe a man was concieved via a virgin birth, and resurrected after he died? Isn't it more reasonable that these are just metaphors intended to teach us a deeper lesson?

[quote]A literal translation of the OT in its entirety is illogical captain![/quote]

I think you meant literal interpretation, but why is it that anymore illogical than interpreting the NT literally?

[quote]If creationism is true then all the theologans (Popes, saints, priests, whatevuh) have wasted an enormous anount of time studying the very complex, deep and multilayered meaning of scripture. Simple minds seek simple explanations, which is okay, but there is a line of logical credibility or else we will be what is commonly known as gullible! It is also illogical to argue with creationists, so I don't intend to take this further, I was just being a troll in support of my mate.
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Notice that this thread is not about creationism, so I'm not sure why you brought it up.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='mortify' timestamp='1335595660' post='2424310']
Why is it logical to believe a man was concieved via a virgin birth, and resurrected after he died? Isn't it more reasonable that these are just metaphors intended to teach us a deeper lesson?
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I don't have any issues with miracles, I reckon I have seen some myself. But for Noahs flood to be literal God would have had to perform more miracles than there are animals to overcome the physical impossibilities. He could do that, but to me it would be illogical to do it that way. Why not just perform one miracle that wipes out all like the dinosaurs and then recreate?


[quote]I think you meant literal interpretation, but why is it that anymore illogical than interpreting the NT literally?[/quote]
Yes, I made a typo. I have read that there are differing styles of writing in the Bible. The older ones like Genesis, Noahs flood, Jonahs fish story and possibly some more are the most difficult to understand. Some people even suggest that the Holywood version of exodus is an exagerated colourful version. Why would people still doubt and revert to pagan gods after seeing the events of exodus as told in the Bible, literal version. It is hypothesised that in reality the miracles occured in a natural way that people could argue were coincidence or good fortune.
Even with the NT There are some quotations that seem illogical and contradictory, but are possibly situation dependant and thus cannot be given a general interpretation and need serious study. eg. In many situations turning the other cheek is not at all practical.


[quote]Notice that this thread is not about creationism, so I'm not sure why you brought it up.

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I'll blame LD for that! He mentioned the two in his post. Seriously though, I consider stories that seem impossible to believe in a literal sense such as Noahs flood, Jonahs fish to belong with the creation story style of writing and thus allegories.

Besides you mentioned it.
[quote name='mortify' timestamp='1335385148' post='2423311']
Im just giving the Divine Author of Genesis the benefit of the doubt
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Edited April 28, 2012 by Mark of the Cross

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

You know what i heard that before too, that many a culture in various parts of the world speak of a great flood. Maybe dinosaurs aren't so long ago as we may think and the flood destroyed them coz they couldn't fit in noahs ark, and whatever animals scrambled to the top of the highest mountains where saved also,including the odd human. But the big dinosaurs where to slow. By the way i'm making this whole dino bit up, just a passing thought though.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

and since the rainbow was assumably the first one, than how was the earth watered before the flood? constant light rain, or fogs and dews perhaps ? Or was the rainbow not the first one and Yaweh just revealed it's true meaning that there is still hope even when all else seems lost.

[mortify]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1335598928' post='2424315']
I don't have any issues with miracles, I reckon I have seen some myself. But for Noahs flood to be literal God would have had to perform more miracles than there are animals to overcome the physical impossibilities. He could do that, but to me it would be illogical to do it that way.[/quote]

Did you read the original post? Noah's flood was anthropologically global, it need not have been geographically global. Theres a big difference there. If the flood was early enough in human history, ie when humans were confined to one continent and the entire population was in the millions, you already avoid many of the so called classic problems.

[Quote]Why not just perform one miracle that wipes out all like the dinosaurs and then recreate?
[/Quote]

What wiped out the dinasaurs was an entirely different event.
[QUOTE]
Yes, I made a typo. I have read that there are differing styles of writing in the Bible. The older ones like Genesis, Noahs flood, Jonahs fish story and possibly some more are the most difficult to understand. Some people even suggest that the Holywood version of exodus is an exagerated colourful version. Why would people still doubt and revert to pagan gods after seeing the events of exodus as told in the Bible, literal version. It is hypothesised that in reality the miracles occured in a natural way that people could argue were coincidence or good fortune.
Even with the NT There are some quotations that seem illogical and contradictory, but are possibly situation dependant and thus cannot be given a general interpretation and need serious study. eg. In many situations turning the other cheek is not at all practical
Besides you mentioned it.
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Sounds like you have some deep rooted doubts that need to be addressed.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='mortify' timestamp='1335634307' post='2424394']
Did you read the original post? Noah's flood was anthropologically global, it need not have been geographically global. Theres a big difference there. If the flood was early enough in human history, ie when humans were confined to one continent and the entire population was in the millions, you already avoid [b]many [/b]of the so called classic problems.
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A few would be a better word[b].[/b] If you get imaginative you can negate a lot. The default covers all response that you usually get is 'God can do anything'. But I'm afraid you can't overcome an overwhelming plethora of evidence against.




[quote]What wiped out the dinosaurs was an entirely different event.[/quote]
Maybe I didn't write that well. I used that as an example of mass extinction. A disruption to the biosphere wipes out nearly all life bar some which after a few millennia evolves new life. Sounds more like the present day miracles we observe. I'm not doubting the flood story.



[quote]Sounds like you have some deep rooted doubts that need to be addressed.[/quote]
You may make whatever judgements on me that you like. I assure you my faith is rock solid and I am completely unaffected by your concern. In fact I smirk and think if only you knew.
I consider my 'belief' is fact based on personal empirical evidence in which I put my trust. Did not Jesus prove himself to Thomas?

Edited April 28, 2012 by Mark of the Cross