Eduardo Saverin Renounces Citizenship

[Socrates]

If Mr. Saverin has made such a dumb, dumb decision, what's the point of punishing him further for it? Last I checked, freedom includes the freedom to make dumb decisions.

And somehow I'm not really convinced that everyone here understands money and investments so much better than he does.

[Lilllabettt]

I think the loss to himself and his descendants is punishment enough.

[Winchester]

We have more active printing presses, not a larger wallet.

[Lilllabettt]

even better.

[Maggyie]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1337552999' post='2433059']
We have more active printing presses, not a larger wallet.
[/quote]

In spite of recent crises the US remains the largest and (depending on analysis) the wealthiest economy in the world.

The problem is that some wealthy people can grow so rich they are a nation unto themselves. When you couple that with globalization and post-modern detachment from the nation-state concept you are going to get people like Saverin. However as of yet there are no private armies, so theoretically it could be sticky for him if he ever finds himself involved in a situation that will only respond to the use of force (and not bribes).

I think we can just be satisfied that if he wanted to regain his citizenship, his application would not go well.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1337553415' post='2433061']
even better.
[/quote]
Actually, it's quite bad. Inflation is a tax, and basically, it's hidden. Especially since our government has redefined inflation to mean a general rise in prices, and uses a gamed CPI. You can look up the Scholastics who viewed currency debasement as theft.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Maggie' timestamp='1337553986' post='2433065']
I think we can just be satisfied that if he wanted to regain his citizenship, his application would not go well.
[/quote]
You be satisfied. I'm not a nationalist. There is no 'we'.

Edited May 20, 2012 by Winchester

[Lilllabettt]

You don't think there's some satisfaction to be had when stupid choices have their natural consequence?

[Winchester]

[quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1337554172' post='2433068']
You don't think there's some satisfaction to be had when stupid choices have their natural consequence?
[/quote]
I don't believe his choice is objectively stupid. Since Saverin has managed to live this long, and is quite wealthy, I can assume he's capable of running his own life. I don't know enough about Saverin, nor so little about the world, that I would say his decision is stupid. Nor will I be happy if something bad happens to him.

[Lilllabettt]

meh

[dairygirl4u2c]

since when has tax evasion been something to be stuck up for? that's what it essentially boils down to. protecting it under the banner of liberty?
at least when people are doing so intentionally.
they say the law affects only like a thousand people. this isn't about protecting business interests and encouraging it etc, by trying to be against what the senators are doing... it's actually encouraging tax evasion, which is silly.

[Archaeology cat]

Well, it's that some dislike being doubly taxed, since the US will tax all US citizens regardless of where they live and work. You do have to make over $95,000 to be taxed on it, as you can claim an exclusion otherwise, but I can see how one wouldn't take kindly to being taxed twice on the same income.

[Winchester]

Apparently, no matter what government decides to take, we're just supposed to let them. Government is magic!

[Lilllabettt]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1337560763' post='2433100']
Government is magic!
[/quote]

everything it does just turns me on. even though my life before was tragic, now I know my love for it goes on ...

Edited May 21, 2012 by Lilllabettt

[dairygirl4u2c]

i could see someone being upset if they were to be taxed by the US, and by the country they're staying at.
but if the person is intentionally engaging in tax evasion, then why do we care about their problems?
if they're not doing so intentionally, sure we can be concerned about their problems.

[Socrates]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aENX1Sf3fgQ&ob=av2n[/media]

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1337477466' post='2432824']
if you don't want to look it up, then don't talk about Winnie like you have actual knowledge of his post history.
[/quote]

Oops, I accidentally missed this!

I didn't say I did. I said I never saw him make a serious post before so I was in awe. Winchester is a nice guy and is capable of intellectual thought. I just never saw him make a serious post before then is all.

[MIKolbe]

in all fairness, your eyes don't work that well, except when you have to go pee.

[4588686]

[quote name='EmilyAnn' timestamp='1337550533' post='2433039']
One guy chooses America to seek asylum and that makes America better than everywhere else? That is shockingly short-sighted. Hundreds of thousands of people choose other countries to seek asylum in countries that aren't the US. This may come as a shock to you but the US is not this paradise that's a million times better than everywhere else that you seem to think it is.
[/quote]

You would understand if you spoke Portuguese or Russian...

[4588686]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1337554111' post='2433067']
You be satisfied. I'm not a nationalist. There is no 'we'.
[/quote]

Yes there is. Any collective is. You can deny that collectives have moral legitimacy but you can't deny shared intentionality.