Churchill

[Crusader_4]

I am under the honest impression that Winston Churchill was perhaps the last great politican. You know sure there was JFK and Trudeau...but when it comes down to moral and ethics...and the honest convictions he held i believe Churchill is in a league of his own. Imagine today what our governments and our systems would be like if Churchill was our President or PM. Imagine....could u see him standing for abortion? Could you see him sitting back as we are being attacked by new enemies? I think we would be living in a different world if politicians didnt look at the polls rather then listen to their consicenes and convictions.

[crusader1234]

Churchill was also an alcoholic... lol WASTED WILLIAM

[Crusader_4]

slow slow slow...down alcoholic.....not really he drinked quite a bit a bit of a tee tottler but not an alcholoic i would say. Besides remember how faithful he was too his wife i could think of a politiicans and presidents off the bat the could learn from that. Besides what would of happened had he not had the guts to stand up for what he believed in Pre war britain?

[HomeTeamFamily]

funny how that comment came from the canadian......how many great, world-renown leaders have yall produced????

[IcePrincessKRS]

Be nice. Phorum isn't up for even a full 24 hours and you guys are already pickin' fights.

[PedroX]

Churchill was certainly the last of his kind, but the last great politician? I'm not so sure. Dame Margaret Thatcher was certainly a great politician, as was Ronald Reagan. Sure, I disagree with some policy decisions but both were great statesman, phenomenal communicators and able to make tough decisions.

peace...

[CreepyCrawler]

i hate to sound like i'm obsessed with gandhi cuz i bring him up a lot, but churchill called gandhi a half-naked fakir and so my stepdad doesn't like churchill (my stepdad was a little kid during the whole independence movement) and i don't like him for that, either. i mean, how great can he be if he's heading a government that is oppressing a whole other country? not a fan.

[Ellenita]

Churchill wasn't viewed as a great politican by everyone in Britain at the time - in fact many people thought he deliberately led us to war when there was some possibility of peace. Although he undoubtedly kept the nation together during the war, he lost the election held immediately after it.

PedroX, you must be the only person I have ever known to put the words "Margaret Thatcher" and "phenomenual communicator" together! Her reputation was certainly the opposite - that she didn't communicate with anyone and that's the main reason why she was kicked out of office......a legacy which Blair seems to have inherited too....

[PedroX]

Ellenita,

Yes, Dame Thatcher was notorious for not communicating with Parliament, and others, but she was able to clearly articulate her vision thus the comparison I drew with Regan and Churchill. Tony Blair is quite another kettle of fish. He seems bent on destroying many of the institutions of English life. But, I'm just an Anglophile...

peace...

[Crusader_4]

Yes thats true Canada has a lack of great leaders that tend not to be British....i am not here to debate that i feel its true too. However, I think Churchill was the last of his kind thats right and he was against Indian Independance he was a loyal to the empire and did not take kindly to watch over the disoloution of his Empire....whether for right or for wrong. All i am saying though is that when we look at politicians now i dont think they are standing up for what the believe to be right rather sifting through polls and Churchill would i think done what he believed to be right come hell or high water. Now i agree i am a very big fan of Gandhi and i think Churchill was wrong on that one. One needs to take a look at the whole person though. We could take a look at St. Augustine for example and find some things that are less then plesant but we dont give up on him entirely and yet we say that perhaps he was the greatest till Aquinas when it came to his area of work. That is simply what i am saying about Churchill when it came to his area of work in politics i think he was perhaps the finest.

[CreepyCrawler]

but i think john kerry is generally a person who stands up for what he believes in, even if what he believes is wrong, esp. about abortion. same thing to me (although i think abortion is generally worse).

[Crusader_4]

Thats true but the style and who he was and even ethically...Churchill was for the most part a fairly good Christian. His foreign policy towards India was not the best but he didnt go from state to state advocating Abortion or anything of the like...one must remeber really how foregin Gandhi was to this victorian Gentlemen i am not defending his actions or anything of the matter but i am just saying that Churchill was the last in my eyes noble politician.

[CreepyCrawler]

but current popular thought doesn't justify actions. that's why abortion is objectively bad despite being accepted by many people and westerners in general. oppression is bad even if you don't realize it's bad. plus he didn't have to be so arrogant about gandhi. a fakir is a really bad insult. i don't think he respected indians in general if he made that comment, just like most british at the time. people don't realize how bad the british treated indians.