Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 GOD and the holy catholic church understands these things. Haters gonna hate isaiah 40:28.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 (edited) mojo without the superstition, yahweh iz not your vizshon if your playing god behind the line, he and we a mystery and dats how you know GOD through christ either you hiz enemy or hiz wife. :Edit: p.s. this iz aimed at those whom act like they know GOD and can't understand mercy and justice co exist. Edited August 10, 2012 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye
Norseman82 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1344567163' post='2465360'] And she would appreciate you bringing that to her attention, as she really would never had deduced that on her own. [/quote] [quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1344567346' post='2465363'] [/quote] [quote name='EmilyAnn' timestamp='1344584727' post='2465434'] Yeah because that's not rude or judgemental at all. A baby is a blessing and a gift from God, no matter the circumstances. If we want to discourage unmarried women from having abortions we need to be kind, loving and supportive - not judgmental. To a confused, scared teenager, loving support could make all the difference between them deciding to have an abortion or not. [/quote] Oh really? And how has that been working out the past 20+ years with the ever-increasing out-of-wedlock pregnancy rate?
Spem in alium Posted August 11, 2012 Author Posted August 11, 2012 (edited) Thanks everyone for your replies. She's 20 (and not technically a "teenager", but young enough). She is 3 months pregnant. She sounded really happy about the pregnancy and seems excited to be a mother. I wanted to make sure of that before I congratulated her. It will undoubtedly be difficult for her, and it's evident that she has the support of the child's father and his family. As to how her own family feels, I am unsure. The greatest support I can give her is prayer, and I'm going to pray hard. Another girl who was in my year at school fell pregnant in our final year. She is in a relationship with the child's father, and their daughter is almost three. Having a child would be such a life-changing thing, and I suppose even more so for a young person who has an unplanned pregnancy. Unfortunately from what I can tell, even though this girl has a toddler she is still quite immature. Young, unmarried mothers really do need prayer and guidance, even though we may disagree with the situations they fall into or the decisions they make. Edited August 11, 2012 by Spem in alium
Amppax Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1344647393' post='2465834'] Oh really? And how has that been working out the past 20+ years with the ever-increasing out-of-wedlock pregnancy rate? [/quote] Being a judgmental arse does little to help that. Affirming that the baby is a blessing and supporting the mother are ways to try and help a woman choose life. In no way does supporting the pregnancy condone premarital sex. Edited August 11, 2012 by Amppax
Archaeology cat Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Yes, they most certainly need prayers. Being a mum is hard even when married and older than a teen. While obviously not ideal for a woman to get pregnant out of wedlock, especially as a teen, they do need our prayers (as do all mums) and help/support.
Norseman82 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 [quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1344649401' post='2465842'] Being a judgmental arse does little to help that. Affirming that the baby is a blessing and supporting the mother are ways to try and help a woman choose life. In no way does supporting the pregnancy condone premarital sex. [/quote] First of all, watch your language, kid. I'm old enough to be your dad and still in good enough shape to go a few rounds with you in the ring and send you flying through the ropes (and trust me, I have). Second, admonishing the sinner is not being judgmental, it is one of the spiritual works of mercy. It may help prevent a repeat occurrence and may serve as a notice to others to not repeat the same action.
Norseman82 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 [quote name='Spem in alium' timestamp='1344648343' post='2465837'] Thanks everyone for your replies. She's 20 (and not technically a "teenager", but young enough). She is 3 months pregnant. She sounded really happy about the pregnancy and seems excited to be a mother. I wanted to make sure of that before I congratulated her. It will undoubtedly be difficult for her, and it's evident that she has the support of the child's father and his family. As to how her own family feels, I am unsure. The greatest support I can give her is prayer, and I'm going to pray hard. Another girl who was in my year at school fell pregnant in our final year. She is in a relationship with the child's father, and their daughter is almost three. Having a child would be such a life-changing thing, and I suppose even more so for a young person who has an unplanned pregnancy. Unfortunately from what I can tell, even though this girl has a toddler she is still quite immature. Young, unmarried mothers really do need prayer and guidance, even though we may disagree with the situations they fall into or the decisions they make. [/quote] So, are they planning on getting married to the fathers?
Amppax Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1344650765' post='2465851'] First of all, watch your language, kid. I'm old enough to be your dad and still in good enough shape to go a few rounds with you in the ring and send you flying through the ropes (and trust me, I have). [/quote] [img]http://realdoctorstu.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/woman-scared.jpg[/img]
Tally Marx Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1344647393' post='2465834'] Oh really? And how has that been working out the past 20+ years with the ever-increasing out-of-wedlock pregnancy rate? [/quote] You mean how has being supportive helped prevent abortions? I've seen it quite successful. Care to assist me, and see what happens on a large scale? Now, as for out of wedlock pregnancy....that is not for lack of admonishment. It is for lack of education. Frowning upon unwed relationships is only going to alienate young people. They honestly don't understand what you are frowning about. They don't know what marriage *is*. Don't tell them what it isn't; tell them what it is. Don't tell them what they shouldn't do or have or be. Rather, tell them what they can have, and do, and be. Make them want to be holy, not just want to avoid punishment from you.
Vincent Vega Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1344650765' post='2465851'] First of all, watch your language, kid. I'm old enough to be your dad and still in good enough shape to go a few rounds with you in the ring and send you flying through the ropes (and trust me, I have). [/quote] [img]http://miltownkid.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/internettoughguy.jpg[/img]
Anomaly Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1344650765' post='2465851'] First of all, watch your language, kid. I'm old enough to be your dad and still in good enough shape to go a few rounds with you in the ring and send you flying through the ropes (and trust me, I have). Second, admonishing the sinner is not being judgmental, it is one of the spiritual works of mercy. It may help prevent a repeat occurrence and may serve as a notice to others to not repeat the same action. [/quote]I'm amazed a catch like you has remained free range for all these years. Reinforcing their responsibility to be a parent to their child in their womb by congratulating them in not taking the selfish route and flushing the inconvenient blob if cells seems to be a pretty decent course of action.
ThePenciledOne Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1344650765' post='2465851'] Second, admonishing the sinner is not being judgmental, it is one of the spiritual works of mercy. It may help prevent a repeat occurrence and may serve as a notice to others to not repeat the same action. [/quote] And every time a Christian does the "admonishing", they turn another person away from the Church and Truth. It's called Love and if that person is not a Christian show them Love first. If they are a Christian, gentle mercy is at hand. Save your 'admonishing' for friends and family, they are the ones that can take it without losing faith or becoming bitter towards God. I've seen it happen.
Amppax Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 .[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1344650765' post='2465851'] First of all, watch your language, kid. I'm old enough to be your dad and still in good enough shape to go a few rounds with you in the ring and send you flying through the ropes ([b]and trust me, I have[/b]). [/quote] We have never fought. I don't understand.
Norseman82 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 [quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1344658879' post='2465901'] And every time a Christian does the "admonishing", they turn another person away from the Church and Truth. It's called Love and if that person is not a Christian show them Love first. If they are a Christian, gentle mercy is at hand. Save your 'admonishing' for friends and family, they are the ones that can take it without losing faith or becoming bitter towards God. I've seen it happen. [/quote] Well, so much for this being a Catholic board if the traditional Catholic teachings such as the works of mercy are going to be dissed by the kiddies here. Any other teachings we are going to throw under the bus because we are afraid of driving people away, such as transubstantiation? Oh wait, people did leave over it, and Jesus addressed that - "Are you going to leave Me, too?"
Norseman82 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 [quote name='Tally Marx' timestamp='1344652922' post='2465864'] You mean how has being supportive helped prevent abortions? I've seen it quite successful. Care to assist me, and see what happens on a large scale? Now, as for out of wedlock pregnancy....that is not for lack of admonishment. It is for lack of education. Frowning upon unwed relationships is only going to alienate young people. They honestly don't understand what you are frowning about. They don't know what marriage *is*. Don't tell them what it isn't; tell them what it is. Don't tell them what they shouldn't do or have or be. Rather, tell them what they can have, and do, and be. Make them want to be holy, not just want to avoid punishment from you. [/quote] And people were alienated by Christ's words regarding transubstantiation, but did Christ say, "Gee, this is just alienating people, so I shouldn't say this"? Christ said that He came to cause division. The Bible also commands us to warn people if they are doing wrong otherwise we would be held accountable with them. If we warn them but they don't listen or are "alienated", then we are off the hook/CYB. Now, if you want to debate the best way of warning people, fine, but inserting a calm "I just wish it were under different circumstances" or a look of disappointment should not elicit temper tantrums in normal, reasonable people. Lastly, it is not "lack of education", but rather that society has gone from frowning on unwed pregnancies to accepting them as mainstream. I've seen the changes over the past 30 years, which is longer than many of youse on the board have been alive.
Amppax Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1344664895' post='2465936'] Well, so much for this being a Catholic board if the traditional Catholic teachings such as the works of mercy are going to be dissed by the kiddies here. Any other teachings we are going to throw under the bus because we are afraid of driving people away, such as transubstantiation? Oh wait, people did leave over it, and Jesus addressed that - "Are you going to leave Me, too?" [/quote] Right. We're saying throw it out. Or we could be saying that there is a time for admonishment, and a time for support. [s]And that reference to transubstantiation was inane. Absolutely nothing to do with this [/s] Well, that was seriously a stretch. Edited August 11, 2012 by Amppax
Norseman82 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 [quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1344666744' post='2465952'] Right. We're saying throw it out. Or we could be saying that there is a time for admonishment, and a time for support. [/quote] Who says you can't do both?[quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1344659562' post='2465904'] . We have never fought. I don't understand. [/quote] I wasn't referring to you.
Norseman82 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 [quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1344658879' post='2465901'] Save your 'admonishing' for friends and family, they are the ones that can take it without losing faith or becoming bitter towards God. I've seen it happen. [/quote] Oh, by the way, I thought that the context of this thread was that his was happening to a friend (or at least an acquaintance) of the thread starter.
Amppax Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1344667113' post='2465954'] Who says you can't do both? [/quote] You can, I'm just not sure if they work at the same time. I would say that its somewhat like how mercy and justice are two very different things. They both have their place. I just feel those are separate places. Although of course, God is both infinitely merciful and just at the same time. [quote] I wasn't referring to you. [/quote] I mean, technically you were, if one were to be a grammar Nazi. I was merely giving you a hard time. I probably owe you an apology for the initial comment. It was a little over the top. Mea Culpa.
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