Winchester Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1348792953' post='2487451'] On what charge? [/quote] I'd heard he had outstanding warrants, already. For what, I don't know. I lost interest before finishing the article.
4588686 Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 According to the AP it was violating his parole. he committed fraud and a stipulation of his probation was to not use the computer or internet without getting the ok of his probation officer. [url="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/27/man-behind-anti-islam-film-arrested-authorities-say/"]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/27/man-behind-anti-islam-film-arrested-authorities-say/[/url]
Winchester Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1348793942' post='2487456'] According to the AP it was violating his parole. he committed fraud and a stipulation of his probation was to not use the computer or internet without getting the ok of his probation officer. [url="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/27/man-behind-anti-islam-film-arrested-authorities-say/"]http://www.foxnews.c...uthorities-say/[/url] [/quote] That sounds familiar.
KnightofChrist Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1348793942' post='2487456'] According to the AP it was violating his parole. he committed fraud and a stipulation of his probation was to not use the computer or internet without getting the ok of his probation officer. [url="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/27/man-behind-anti-islam-film-arrested-authorities-say/"]http://www.foxnews.c...uthorities-say/[/url] [/quote] This is a way to punish him for his involvement with an offensive but otherwise protect form of free speech. The Feds brought him in for questioning about the video, it stands to reason they wanted to find some way to charge him for his involment in this offense speech. They found their loophole to the First Amendment, HURRAY FOR FREEDOM!!!
4588686 Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1348795179' post='2487466'] This is a way to punish him for his involvement with an offensive but otherwise protect form of free speech. The Feds brought him in for questioning about the video, it stands to reason they wanted to find some way to charge him for his involment in this offense speech. They found their loophole to the First Amendment, HURRAY FOR FREEDOM!!! [/quote] That's a pretty big assumption. It seems pretty indisputable that he is guilty of violating his parole. Are you saying that they shouldn't charge him for a probation stipulation, which was put on him prior to this video was created and had nothing to do with any attempt to limit his right to produce offensive speech, because that violation took the form of offensive speech? If they were just throwing mud at the wall to see what stuck, trying every possible legal maneuver to lock him up, then I would agree with you, but this seems to be a pretty straightforward violation.
KnightofChrist Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1348795552' post='2487469'] That's a pretty big assumption. It seems pretty indisputable that he is guilty of violating his parole. Are you saying that they shouldn't charge him for a probation stipulation, which was put on him prior to this video was created and had nothing to do with any attempt to limit his right to produce offensive speech, because that violation took the form of offensive speech? If they were just throwing mud at the wall to see what stuck, trying every possible legal maneuver to lock him up, then I would agree with you, but this seems to be a pretty straightforward violation. [/quote] It just seems really unreasonable and naive to believe his arrest is not actually about his video, a form of free speech, offending people. But believe as you see fit. Edited September 28, 2012 by KnightofChrist
4588686 Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1348795989' post='2487470'] It just seems really unreasonable and naive to believe his arrest is not actually about his video, a form of free speech, offending people. But believe as you see fit. [/quote] It is about his video since making that video violated the terms of his parole. Not because of the content but because of the medium. I'm really not the one making a positive claim here. I'm not saying that the trouble that the video caused had nothing to do with their decision. I have no idea. That's require some serious analysis of the probation office's stats. I'm just saying that you are making an assumption about the motive for the arrest that really isn't proven by the evidence.
KnightofChrist Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1348796206' post='2487473'] It is about his video since making that video violated the terms of his parole. Not because of the content but because of the medium. I'm really not the one making a positive claim here. I'm not saying that the trouble that the video caused had nothing to do with their decision. I have no idea. That's require some serious analysis of the probation office's stats. I'm just saying that you are making an assumption about the motive for the arrest that really isn't proven by the evidence. [/quote] Loophole hurray freedom!
4588686 Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1348796528' post='2487474'] Loophole hurray freedom! [/quote] I guess you've decided to stop arguing your point.
Mercy me Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1348620173' post='2486732'] Pravda means truth. Thank you for your ringing endorsement of the US press. In Russian, that is. In Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian it means justice. Either way it's still a pretty ringing endorsement. [/quote] Ringing endorsement? Or maybe just so far over your head. Not sure how much you read the Soviet paper, kid. But I can tell you that it's reports were often jaw dropping for their detachment from reality.
4588686 Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Mercy me' timestamp='1348797283' post='2487480'] Ringing endorsement? Or maybe just so far over your head. Not sure how much you read the Soviet paper, kid. But I can tell you that it's reports were often jaw dropping for their detachment from reality. [/quote] If only you had read the very next post. [i][color=#282828][font='Segoe UI', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Anyone who has any substantive knowledge of [/font][/color][i]Pravda[/i][color=#282828][font='Segoe UI', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] (a USSR newspaper that acted as a mouthpiece for the regime)...[/font][/color][/i] I was being facetious. Edited September 28, 2012 by Hasan
KnightofChrist Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1348797131' post='2487478'] I guess you've decided to stop arguing your point. [/quote] We don't need to go on for 20 pages to know we're not going to come to an agreement. You buy the story I don't. The End.
4588686 Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1348799273' post='2487487'] We don't need to go on for 20 pages to know we're not going to come to an agreement. You buy the story I don't. The End. [/quote] Fair enough.
dominicansoul Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 [img]http://www.reagancoalition.com/images/other/medianarratives.jpg[/img]
Nihil Obstat Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 [quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1349094828' post='2488745'] [img]http://www.reagancoalition.com/images/other/medianarratives.jpg[/img] [/quote] They are all pretty disgusting.
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