CatherineM Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 My two foster sons aren't manipulative, they are spoiled. I spoil all my boys.
r2Dtoo Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1350964117' post='2496197'] You implied that I would lose faith in humanity, and that everyone will. These are [i]your [/i]experiences. Don't make the entire population a stereotype. Being a Christian is keeping faith in God and in your fellow man. There are many people twice your age (I know you probably think you're old and experienced, but I'm afraid not as much as you would like to think, just as I am not as much as I would like to think) who have more faith in humanity than you did even when you were really young and believed in the world. [/quote] I have never met anyone who had the same faith in humanity that they had when they were 16. And what the floppy does that have to so with God? Where Jesus say "Believe in your neighbor as you believe in yourself"? Seriously, what are you trying to accomplish here? Was Slappo's support of me not enough of a hint for you that your acting retarded?
r2Dtoo Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1350965037' post='2496211'] My two foster sons aren't manipulative, they are spoiled. I spoil all my boys. [/quote] LOL! Yeah, that's the only way they survive is through manipulation. I'm sure they like being spoiled.
PhuturePriest Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1350965782' post='2496216'] I have never met anyone who had the same faith in humanity that they had when they were 16. And what the floppy does that have to so with God? Where Jesus say "Believe in your neighbor as you believe in yourself"? Seriously, what are you trying to accomplish here? Was Slappo's support of me not enough of a hint for you that your acting retarded? [/quote] I believe it's "you're" Mr. Smarty pantaloons. I'm not going to think I'm an idiot just because somebody agrees with you. There are people that would agree with me, does that automatically make you an idiot? Slappo supported you in a position that is openly debatable. The Church has yet to take a position on the uncontrollably manipulative ways of foster kids and the rapists that foster parents uncontrollably become by default as soon as there are foster children in their home. I'll get back to you when the Pope gets around to speaking about it. Edited October 23, 2012 by FuturePriest387
r2Dtoo Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 I'm still waiting for where the Church said Christians must believe in humanity. Lol.
PhuturePriest Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1350966243' post='2496219'] I'm still waiting for where the Church said Christians must believe in humanity. Lol. [/quote] The Church doesn't directly say you must believe in humanity. But believing in people is vital. You must believe in a person if you are to believe that all people can be converted. You have to believe in people and their potential, otherwise you're basically saying "Everyone is going to hell except hopefully me and my fellow Catholics".
r2Dtoo Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1350966621' post='2496220'] The Church doesn't directly say you must believe in humanity. But believing in people is vital. You must believe in a person if you are to believe that all people can be converted. You have to believe in people and their potential, otherwise you're basically saying "Everyone is going to hell except hopefully me and my fellow Catholics". [/quote] You think thats all believeing in people means? Lol. Believeing in people means trusting them. I don't recall being told I need to trust people by any Catholic anywhere. Edited October 23, 2012 by r2Dtoo
PhuturePriest Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1350967483' post='2496223'] You think thats all believeing in people means? Lol. Believeing in people means trusting them. I don't recall being told I need to trust people by any Catholic anywhere. [/quote] I believe for as smart as you have been claiming to be you should have noted the important difference between "believing [b]in[/b] people" and "believing people". Both are worlds apart in terms of meaning. Edited October 23, 2012 by FuturePriest387
Nihil Obstat Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1350965951' post='2496217'] LOL! Yeah, that's the only way they survive is through manipulation. I'm sure they like being spoiled. [/quote] That is not really appropriate.
PhuturePriest Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1350968709' post='2496229'] That is not really appropriate. [/quote] I'm pretty sure the "appropriate" line was crossed when he said he hated kids in foster care and that all they did was manipulate. His post to Catherine was just icing on the cake.
Nihil Obstat Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1350969097' post='2496231'] I'm pretty sure the "appropriate" line was crossed when he said he hated kids in foster care and that all they did was manipulate. His post to Catherine was just icing on the cake. [/quote] Well for me at least, I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt when we are talking in general terms. Also I am not really educated in this area, so I do not have anything to add. But I find it quite inappropriate to move from general concepts to specifics, like in that post. There is a lot of difference in my opinion between saying "foster children are manipulative" and saying "[i]your[/i] foster children are manipulating [i]you[/i]." There are nearly always exceptions to generalizations. There is not room for exceptions when you are talking about specific people. That is what I have an issue with here.
PhuturePriest Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1350970823' post='2496236'] Well for me at least, I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt when we are talking in general terms. Also I am not really educated in this area, so I do not have anything to add. But I find it quite inappropriate to move from general concepts to specifics, like in that post. There is a lot of difference in my opinion between saying "foster children are manipulative" and saying "[i]your[/i] foster children are manipulating [i]you[/i]." There are nearly always exceptions to generalizations. There is not room for exceptions when you are talking about specific people. That is what I have an issue with here. [/quote] Of course. But a slight at all foster children is a slight to those who have them, even if you are not really specific. I do agree that you are right, but simply saying all foster kids are manipulative and that you hate them is bad enough. Is it really necessary to get [i]super [/i]personal?
Nihil Obstat Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1350971510' post='2496239'] Of course. But a slight at all foster children is a slight to those who have them, even if you are not really specific. I do agree that you are right, but simply saying all foster kids are manipulative and that you hate them is bad enough. Is it really necessary to get [i]super [/i]personal? [/quote] [color=#222222][font='Helvetica Neue', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][size=4][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)] I believe it is admirable to want to believe the best about people. Always correct, perhaps not. But the inclination itself is worth something.[/background][/size][/font][/color]
PhuturePriest Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1350971825' post='2496240'] [color=#222222][font=Helvetica Neue', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][size=4][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]I believe it is admirable to want to believe the best about people. Always correct, perhaps not. But the inclination itself is worth something.[/background][/size][/font][/color] [/quote] Some in my family are super critical and judge everyone, and it rubbed off on me for so long. I eventually realized it was wrong and so I quit. I believe there is good in everyone and that everyone can become a very good and upstanding person. Having a positive outlook on life and about people makes you happier, and it helps others to become less critical and judgmental. To me the choice in believing in people is obvious. I do not understand others that don't believe in others, but thankfully due to my beliefs I believe they can change.
CatherineM Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 We've dealt with people telling us that Zack is using us and we're suckers. We drive him to school, provide a roof over his head and feed him. He gets used clothes routinely because he keeps outgrowing stuff. If he was our natural son, no one would say anything. We'd probably be considered abusive for making him get his clothes at the thrift store. Taking in the new boy who is mentally retarded has gotten us branded as saints. I told Zack that I guess for people to think he was worthy of being adopted as a 17 year old that we'd need to drop him on his head or something. Being an orphan is enough.
r2Dtoo Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 Whatever. If you people want to see yourselves as saints I don't care. It's not like there actually is going to be a God at the end anyway.
stevil Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 I think its great that people are adopting and looking after orphaned kids, why do you have a problem with other people doing that?
r2Dtoo Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) [quote name='stevil' timestamp='1351016026' post='2496372'] I think its great that people are adopting and looking after orphaned kids, why do you have a problem with other people doing that? [/quote] I never said I did. All I said was that I hate foster kids because I've had way too many negative experiences with them to still think of them as beings worth much of my sympathy, and the local self-righteous Pharisees here suddenly accuse me of being against the whole human race, and criticize people who adopt. What the blazes is wrong with you people? Edited October 23, 2012 by r2Dtoo
Nihil Obstat Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1351025517' post='2496452'] I never said I did. All I said was that I hate [b]black people[/b] because I've had way too many negative experiences with them to still think of them as beings worth much of my sympathy, and the local self-righteous Pharisees here suddenly accuse me of being against the whole human race, and criticize people who adopt. What the blazes is wrong with you people? [/quote] Trololol? Seriously, that was way, way too easy. Edited October 23, 2012 by Nihil Obstat
r2Dtoo Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1351025811' post='2496453'] Trololol? Seriously, that was way, way too lame. [/quote] Agreed.
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