Politicians And The Eucharist

[CatholicAndFanatical]

i guess its harder to keep everyone away from the Eucharist that meets those criteria except for politicians. Because they are in the public forum and everyone knows where they stand so the Bishop and Priest and deal with them, with an average individual it would be harder to know their views.

I think the solution would be catechesis on the subject. Teaching from the pulpit, Every Parish, that voting, beliveing, or influencing abortion thoughts are wrong and sinful.

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='CatholicAndFanatical' date='May 23 2004, 07:45 PM'] i guess its harder to keep everyone away from the Eucharist that meets those criteria except for politicians. Because they are in the public forum and everyone knows where they stand so the Bishop and Priest and deal with them, with an average individual it would be harder to know their views.

I think the solution would be catechesis on the subject. Teaching from the pulpit, Every Parish, that voting, beliveing, or influencing abortion thoughts are wrong and sinful. [/quote]
exactly.

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='CatholicAndFanatical' date='May 23 2004, 07:45 PM'] i guess its harder to keep everyone away from the Eucharist that meets those criteria except for politicians. Because they are in the public forum and everyone knows where they stand so the Bishop and Priest and deal with them, with an average individual it would be harder to know their views.

I think the solution would be catechesis on the subject. Teaching from the pulpit, Every Parish, that voting, beliveing, or influencing abortion thoughts are wrong and sinful. [/quote]
Amen well put!!!

[Guest AloysiusGhost]

GF, Abortion is the biggest evil of our time. If you support the mass murder of babies on a daily basis, you are most definitely without question commiting grevious sins in public.

if you are for a war, there is question, but you could be commiting grevious sins in public. it's not as blatant, for the Bishops to actually refuse communion, the grevious sin must be blatant.

if you are for the death penalty, the Church has always taught that the death penalty if used correctly is not inherently evil. Now, the way it's used now many evils happen through it. Again, though, the fact that not all cases are evils and the fact that there are legitamate cases and they might be trying to follow those legitamate cases decreases the blatancy of the evil.

For a Bishop to publically tell a politican they are in grave sin and should not approach Holy Communion because they are not acting in communion, the public evil they commit most be absolutely positively blatant and clear. we don't mess around with barring ppl from communion. abortion and euthinasia and homosexual sex (which comes with the "marriage" territory) are wrong in every single case. PERIOD. NO EXCEPTIONS. (Euthenasia must be defined correctly of course, the Bishop can't do this if they just support things that there's still the theological question up in the air if they're just taking away extraordinary means of keeping them alive). It is just unfortunate that the Democratic Party has supported these things which can never be tolerated under any circumstances. The Republican Party has some sticky issues, but they don't support anything that is inherently evil without exception.

[morostheos]

The bishops who are denying pro-abortion politicians Communion are following Canon law. In the encyclical Evangelium Vitae, Pope John Paul II made clear that supporting laws that fund or expand the availability of abortions is gravely wrong. I have not seen specific cases of politicians being denied Communion for homosexual unions and euthanasia, do you all have sources?

I just wrote a paper on this topic, looking at the issue through Church teachings in Canon law and encyclicals, then doing a survey of news coverage thus far, and a look at similar cases throughout United States history. If you want to check it out, here's the link:
[url="http://www.geocities.com/strawberrygrrl.geo/kerryEucharist.html"]http://www.geocities.com/strawberrygrrl.ge...yEucharist.html[/url]

[Anna]

The Catholic Church has spoken emphatically against abortion since the Didache! 2,000 years of consistant teaching, and some politicians who court the Catholic vote but abandon Catholic teaching use the Most Holy Sacrament to cement a political victory. That is an abomination which has gone on FAR TOO LONG.

If there's a Republican pro-abortion Catholic out there, let him be ex-communicated with the rest! Who cares the political party?! We are concerned with the issue of abortion, and the sacrilege of receiving Holy Communion while promoting a type of murder which has been condemned by the Church since the time of the Apostles.

If these folks can't hold to the tenets of the Faith, why should we give them our vote? Why should the Church give them the Most Holy Eucharist???????????????!!!!!!!!

Let them stand for what they believe: Catholic Truth, or abortion on demand. The two do NOT go hand in hand. :angry:

Pax Christi. <><

[Anna]

Is there some other political issue that has the Church's unequivocal, unwaivering, voice of moral leadership condemning it?

If so, pile it on.

But something tells me that the pendulum will swing in the conservative direction if that should happen! Hope you can live with that...

Pax Christi. <><

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='Jason' date='May 23 2004, 08:28 PM'] I am a fan of Anna [/quote]
Me, too. Did ya know she's my Mom?

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='May 26 2004, 12:14 PM'] Me, too. Did ya know she's my Mom? [/quote]
No way haha, sweet I love your mom she's awesome IceP. She has a beautiful way of putting things.

Haha man I didn't know thats cool

[Spiritual_Arsonist]

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i say let them have communion. just make sure that verse from 1 Corinthians is read during every mass. the politicians would be responsible to God for their own actions. [/quote]
Thank the friggen media for the drama. They "love" the Church.

[Dave]

[quote name='Anna' date='May 26 2004, 02:26 AM'] If there's a Republican pro-abortion Catholic out there, let him be ex-communicated with the rest! Who cares the political party?! We are concerned with the issue of abortion, and the sacrilege of receiving Holy Communion while promoting a type of murder which has been condemned by the Church since the time of the Apostles.

[/quote]
Yep, there's more than one Catholic Republican pro-abortion politician out there, including Rep. Susan Collins of Maine, Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (sp?) of NY, Gov. Tom Ridge of Pennsylvania, and Gov. George Pataki of NY.