Obama Or Romney: Which Candidate Reflects Your Values?

[kujo]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1351349872' post='2498539']
You said "ideological"; I said "partisan". Now, their only ideology is partisanship, but not using the latter term makes it look as though they might believe in something other than promoting their own ideas that they come up with on their own, without help from the other guys who just believe in power, as well.
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Ah, so we're getting into semantics now.

[Winchester]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1351349996' post='2498540']

Ah, so we're getting into semantics now.
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No, we're getting into being specific. You put crude oil in your gas tank?

Just admit you need me.

[Anomaly]

Some people believe Florida's Ammendment Six is being fought against by Republicans because it dilutes Federal powers.

[kujo]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1351350080' post='2498541']
You put crude oil in your gas tank?.
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Are you hitting on me?

[Winchester]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1351350173' post='2498543']

Are you hitting on me?
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Do you want me to hit on you?

[kujo]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1351350210' post='2498544']
Do you want me to hit on you?
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Only if we're still being specific.

[Winchester]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1351350386' post='2498545']

Only if we're still being specific.
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[Jesus_lol]

why cant i prop anymore?


dUSt is literally Hitler.

[Freedom]

Saint Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host -
by the Divine Power of God -
cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits,
who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls.

Amen.

[Freedom]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1351301331' post='2498281']
Future Priest, enlighten us will you, what did Jesus say about judging people ?


Freedom, I have read what you have posted here and I am in agreement with you. I have tried to relate the same here and some are hung up on finding the ideal candidate. I will vote for the candidate who has promised to limit abortion, the candidate who does not back homosexual marriages, the same candidate who has promised to repeal constitutionally illegal mandated health care, which by the way infringes on the religious freedoms of everybody in America and their right to decide whether they pay for abortion, abortifacient drugs and contraceptives. I will vote for the candidate who has actually had some experience running a successful business and could could use his business acumen to make decisions that could actually benefit this countries economy. I will not waste my vote on some non existing perfect politician in some non viable third party. But hey I am a realist and I know what the current President stands for and what he has done to this country thus far, and if Jesus returns and runs for office I will naturally cast my vote for him.

Keep up the good work Freedom and I wish you luck spreading sound views, perhaps if you could get John Stewart or Bill Maher to give a funny 30 second sound bite on MTV you may win over the idealists. Good luck with that.

ed
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Thank God for your input, Ed, you really made my day. May God bless you for it! For awhile I thought I was all by myself in this hungry lions arena, each wanting a piece of me. It feels so good that someone else stood by me. You completely mirrored my views about Romney. He's a good guy and America is better off with someone like him. I cannot believe people who are fighting for the right to stop the heart of a baby from beating in his mother's womb then turn around and vehemently protect the animals rights. There is something sick about this and no one can contradict that.

[kujo]

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1351361925' post='2498639']
I cannot believe people who are fighting for the right to stop the heart of a baby from beating in his mother's womb then turn around and vehemently protect the animals rights. There is something sick about this and no one can contradict that.
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I can!

People who are pro-choice do not believe that a child in utero has the same rights as the mother. This belief isn't "evil," it's just misinformed. When you talk to these individuals on a one-to-one basis, and refrain from hurling the Pavlovian insults and buzzwords at them, you'll discover that most actually believe abortion is wrong, but don't have the courage or conviction to extend that belief into a law. It's a peculiar situation, but it doesn't make them "sick." It makes them a work in progress, just like you and I are.

Now, animal rights are important, too. Are they as important as the abortion issue? No, probably not. But having a disagreement about that doesn't mean you are "sick." It means that you are misinformed and needing of God's grace and wisdom. The line for those too things is pretty long and diverse, last I checked.

[Nihil Obstat]

I sense a blossoming bromance.

[To Jesus Through Mary]

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1351361925' post='2498639']
Thank God for your input, Ed, you really made my day. May God bless you for it! For awhile I thought I was all by myself in this hungry lions arena, each wanting a piece of me. It feels so good that someone else stood by me. You completely mirrored my views about Romney. He's a good guy and America is better off with someone like him. I cannot believe people who are fighting for the right to stop the heart of a baby from beating in his mother's womb then turn around and vehemently protect the animals rights. There is something sick about this and no one can contradict that.
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I hope you took Nihil's advice and thanked God that you are more righteous then us.

I am not voting for Romney because I am pro-life.

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1351362211' post='2498645']
I sense a blossoming bromance.
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props!

[Freedom]

Protecting a helpless child at any age at all, being in her/his mother's womb or out, gives him a chance to live. The only way to stop this life is to kill the child. If you are pro-abortion, know that this is terminating a child's life.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1351364414' post='2498719']
Protecting a helpless child at any age at all, being in her/his mother's womb or out, gives him a chance to live. The only way to stop this life is to kill the child. If you are pro-abortion, know that this is terminating a child's life.
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If I had to guess, I would say that precisely zero Catholics in this thread are pro abortion. It is a huge success of the moral bankruptcy of the political machine that you are conflating Romney and the pro-life cause.

[Freedom]

[quote name='To Jesus Through Mary' timestamp='1351363350' post='2498679']
I am not voting for Romney because I am pro-life.
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You are wrong, Romney is not pro-choice, Obama is and everybody knows that.

[kujo]

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1351364650' post='2498723']
You are wrong, Romney is not pro-choice, Obama is and everybody knows that.
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Romney says he's okay with abortions in the cases of rape, incest and the life of the mother.

= Pro-choice.

[Freedom]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1351364551' post='2498720']
If I had to guess, I would say that precisely zero Catholics in this thread are pro abortion. It is a huge success of the moral bankruptcy of the political machine that you are conflating Romney and the pro-life cause.
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That's why there has been tens of law suits from the Catholic Bishops against Obama and not one against Romney. All the law suits are against ObamaCare because of its mandatory abortion laws.

[Aloysius]

the biggest issue is when he included "health of the mother"--his spokeswoman did some damage control after that because everyone in the pro-life movement knows "health of the mother" is code word for pretty much "all abortions"; in fact, the major pro-life groups specifically said that they would have pulled their endorsement of him had he supported the health of the mother exemption.

I don't buy what his spokeswoman said, because he has a long pro-choice history (so if he had actually changed his mind, he'd be conscious about the difference between a health or a life of the mother exemption) that is consistent with him being in favor of the health of the mother exemption. if it was that important to him, he would have corrected the issue himself; he didn't. I am thoroughly convinced that he is for a health-of-the-mother exemption (which covers 99%+ of all abortions carried out) and that's why I see him as totally pro-choice, not even an improvement.

[kujo]

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1351365018' post='2498730']
That's why there has been tens of law suits from the Catholic Bishops against Obama and not one against Romney. All the law suits are against ObamaCare because of its mandatory abortion laws.
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No, the lawsuits are political motivated. That's why they didn't go against Romney--he's Republican. So are the bishops.