Will All Of You Pro-romney People Apologize When...

[kujo]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1351839177' post='2502833']


let's be honest dude, almost everyone would call it stupid to say abortion and care for the enviornment fall under the same umbrella as being pro life issues. i'm not wasting time arguing something so off the wall as this so... moving on.
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LOL!

To hell with Romney! You should all vote for Havok!

"Do you swear to uphold the Constitution..."

"DUHH!!!!! I'd be [b]stupid[/b] not to!"

[havok579257]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1351839254' post='2502835']
what is your political stance on contraception? my stance is that it should not be illegal. not everything that is immoral should be illegal. and I'm 100% pro-life, or am I by your definition?

what is your political stance on sterilization? I'm not sure that my stance would hold that it should be illegal either. I don't think that's the pro-life position either.

those two things are immoral, absolutely, but the Church doesn't teach that they ought to be illegalized. No one should be compelled to fund them, and that would be Ron Paul's position as well.

He has stated that the morning after pill is little different chemically than the contraceptive pill and there would be no real legal recourse to banning it. I'm not sure what my stance on the legality of the morning after pill should be, I'm not sure what the proscribed pro-life position really must be. I'd be more inclined to say the morning after pill should be banned while Ron Paul would be more in favor of keeping it legal. I'm not so sure there is one prescribed pro-life position to answer this issue... there are plenty of immoral things that are going to be out there and not illegalized, many of them cause many bad things, some of them can cause deaths, but we are not obligated to think that the things themselves must be illegalized.
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my stance on contraception/birth control is that it should be illegal(the birth control pill should be legal when used for medical reasons) because it can and does cause abortions. the church teaches some contraceptions should be illegal because some cause abortions.

i am absolutely against sterilization but i don;t know how i feel about it when it comes to if it should be allowed legally or not.

the morning after pill kills the baby after implimentaion of the egg, so its a church stance to be against the morning after pill. it would be instrically evil as there is no good that can come from the morning after pill just like with abortion. the church is against the morning after pill because it causes an abortion.

[havok579257]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1351839287' post='2502837']

LOL!

To hell with Romney! You should all vote for Havok!

"Do you swear to uphold the Constitution..."

"DUHH!!!!! I'd be [b]stupid[/b] not to!"
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well since i am not a fan of many laws in this country i don't think i would have that position.

also give me some credit, at least i would be smart enough to not appoint you to any position of power.

[kujo]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1351839693' post='2502843']

my stance on contraception/birth control is that it should be illegal(the birth control pill should be legal when used for medical reasons) because it can and does cause abortions. the church teaches some contraceptions should be illegal because some cause abortions.

i am absolutely against sterilization but i don;t know how i feel about it when it comes to if it should be allowed legally or not.

the morning after pill kills the baby after implimentaion of the egg, so its a church stance to be against the morning after pill. it would be instrically evil as there is no good that can come from the morning after pill just like with abortion. the church is against the morning after pill because it causes an abortion.
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Condoms cause abortions?

[qfnol31]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1351839806' post='2502845']

Condoms cause abortions?
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IUDs.

[havok579257]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1351839806' post='2502845']

Condoms cause abortions?
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i guess you missed the part of some contraceptions that was mentioned. i never said all, i said some.

[Aloysius]

obviously havok is talking about contraceptive pills and their abortificient quality. I have not seen calls from the Church specifically addressing illegalizing contraceptive pills on the basis of their abortificient qualities; it is certainly a strong argument for the immorality of their use, but I'm not entirely sure about them needing to be illegalized. The legality of contraceptives is not a 100% black/white issue for the Catholic pro-life movement though.

the morning after pill is much more likely to be a black/white issue for the Catholic pro-life movement, I will absolutely grant you that... personally I don't draw the line of defining pro-life based upon the legality of either contraceptives or the morning after pill, though; however, I would support a movement to illegalize the morning after pill.

[Aloysius]

Shifting gears on this topic, I'm not sure where I heard this, but I've been told that when Mitt Romney said "There's no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda" he actually did not say "There's no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda"; simply because in other places he has talked about abortion related agenda items. Now, usually when someone says there's no abortion legislation that will be part of his agenda in one place, and then in another place says there is some abortion related agenda items he's interested in, well that's a contradiction and you have to determine which of the two statements he actually means.

But no, I guess the contradicting quote actually means he didn't actually say the other quote.

BTW, I want to have the last word in this thread, so treat it as if it's locked right after I make my point.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1351877299' post='2503002']
BTW, I want to have the last word in this thread, so treat it as if it's locked right after I make my point.
[/quote]Okay.

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1351877299' post='2503002']
BTW, I want to have the last word in this thread, so treat it as if it's locked right after I make my point.
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