Voting Obama Is Un-christian And Anti-catholic

[dUSt]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1351743470' post='2501798']
That's your assessment of the result of voting for the Republican fascist instead of the Democrat fascist. I expose all of Romney. You concentrate on his latest rhetoric. And not even all of it.
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I am not voting for Romney. I am encouraging people to vote against Obama. Just like you. I am simply promoting a method that has a greater chance of having actual results, while you promote a method that will not produce any results.

[Winchester]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351744670' post='2501809']
I am not voting for Romney. I am encouraging people to vote against Obama. Just like you. I am simply promoting a method that has a greater chance of having actual results, while you promote a method that will not produce any results.
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5%.

And I still don't enter fights because I think I will win. I wasn't aware consequentialism was Catholic.

Edited November 1, 2012 by Winchester

[dUSt]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1351744578' post='2501806']
Ordination: Still not magical.
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If you are going to disrespect the priesthood, just come out and do it, instead of using your fancy whimsical words to disguise what you are really thinking.

[Winchester]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351744772' post='2501811']
If you are going to disrespect the priesthood, just come out and do it, instead of using your fancy whimsical words to disguise what you are really thinking.
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I'm saying that ordination doesn't prevent error. It doesn't give people special insight into political decisions or moral decisions. Priests are just men. Priests can teach error, make mistakes, fall into heresy, be abusive, etcetera. Priests are not the priesthood.

[Jaime]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351742893' post='2501793']
Read 1/2 of Aloysius' posts. He's been trying to equate Obama with someone who is being endorsed by the National Right to Life Committee. I'd consider that a pro-Obama post.
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That is the biggest load of croutons. You cannot quote me one of Al's posts that suggests he's voting for Obama.

[Nihil Obstat]

Every time I think we cannot possibly get a dumber thread... then we do. Floop politics. I am getting a drink.

[Aloysius]

I have priests on my side too man.

It becomes poisonous when a particular voting strategy is equated with the Catholic faith. there are principals we must understand and then vote according to a particular strategy accordingly, and you have every right to argue that Romney is the best option. But ironmonk has decreed that if you "spew the mainstream media kool-aid" you should stop bothering to call yourself Catholic.

can you not see how infinitely more important the Catholic faith is than this particular vote? How utterly WICKED it is to try to drive people away from Our Lord simply because they've come to a different opinion on political strategy or disagree with their assessment of where various candidates et cetera stand? Infinitely more important, as in the outcome of this particular election PALES in comparison; and you become perfect patsies for a particular line of political thinking and basically act like failing to adhere to that line of thinking makes one not really Catholic. How utterly faithless and wicked that line of thinking is--so short sighted in the light of eternity that it's not even funny.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1351745139' post='2501819']
I have priests on my side too man.

It becomes poisonous when a particular voting strategy is equated with the Catholic faith. there are principals we must understand and then vote according to a particular strategy accordingly, and you have every right to argue that Romney is the best option. But ironmonk has decreed that if you "spew the mainstream media kool-aid" you should stop bothering to call yourself Catholic.

can you not see how infinitely more important the Catholic faith is than this particular vote? How utterly WICKED it is to try to drive people away from Our Lord simply because they've come to a different opinion on political strategy or disagree with their assessment of where various candidates et cetera stand? Infinitely more important, as in the outcome of this particular election PALES in comparison; and you become perfect patsies for a particular line of political thinking and basically act like failing to adhere to that line of thinking makes one not really Catholic. How utterly faithless and wicked that line of thinking is--so short sighted in the light of eternity that it's not even funny.
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150% agreed. To place political partisanship up on a pedestal, as some kind of requirement for one's Catholicity, is arrogant and demeaning.
Conflating politics and the Church insults both our intelligence as reasoning human beings, and the sanctity of the Church. Bringing politics into the Church is making a pig sty out of the sanctuary.

[Vincent Vega]

Today I learned there is a 24th Sui Juris Church, and it is called the Neo-Conservative Rite.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1351745420' post='2501823']
Today I learned there is a 24th Sui Juris Church, and it is called the Neo-Conservative Rite.
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And voting Republican is the 8th sacrament.

[dUSt]

[quote name='jaime' timestamp='1351745051' post='2501817']


That is the biggest load of croutons. You cannot quote me one of Al's posts that suggests he's voting for Obama.
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That's not what you said Himey. You said pro-Obama, not voting-for-Obama. You can help a guy get re-elected without voting for him.

[dUSt]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1351745139' post='2501819']
can you not see how infinitely more important the Catholic faith is than this particular vote? How utterly WICKED it is to try to drive people away from Our Lord simply because they've come to a different opinion on political strategy or disagree with their assessment of where various candidates et cetera stand? Infinitely more important, as in the outcome of this particular election PALES in comparison; and you become perfect patsies for a particular line of political thinking and basically act like failing to adhere to that line of thinking makes one not really Catholic. How utterly faithless and wicked that line of thinking is--so short sighted in the light of eternity that it's not even funny.
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Nothing you say relates to anything I say, so forgive me when I am often very confused by your retorts.

[Winchester]

I understand the idea behind voting for Romney.

I differ too much from him to vote for him. I hate democracy. I despise strong central government. I despise nationalism. I despise pietism, and its attendant evils. I am not state property. I do not have to ask permission to trade or own property. There is no social contract.

I know Gary Johnson will not win. I hope to see the LP get some Federal funding. I would have voted for Ron Paul. I didn't go to Dallas because I thought we would win. I did it to fight Leviathan. I don't think we will win. I expect it to get worse. A lot worse.

[dUSt]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1351745139' post='2501819']
How utterly WICKED it is to try to drive people away from Our Lord simply because they've come to a different opinion on political strategy
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[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1351745410' post='2501822']
To place political partisanship up on a pedestal, as some kind of requirement for one's Catholicity, is arrogant and demeaning.
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Why are you guys trying to label me with doing things like this? That is unfair, and mean. I have been arguing about effectiveness, pragmatism and methods of creating results. I have not been trying to "drive people away from our Lord" or "place political partisanship on a pedestal". I am hurt by your words and offended you think so lowly of me. You are just internet people so I will get over it, but still. Saying stuff like this really smells of elderberries, for real.

[Winchester]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351746232' post='2501832']
pragmatism
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Yeah, that's not remotely Catholic.

But I don't really believe you're being pragmatic in the proper sense of the word.

Edited November 1, 2012 by Winchester

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351746232' post='2501832']
Why are you guys trying to label me with doing things like this? That is unfair, and mean. I have been arguing about effectiveness, pragmatism and methods of creating results. I have not been trying to "drive people away from our Lord" or "place political partisanship on a pedestal". I am hurt by your words and offended you think so lowly of me. You are just internet people so I will get over it, but still. Saying stuff like this really smells of elderberries, for real.
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If you are not equating faith and politics, then my post is not meant for you, evidently.

[Aloysius]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351745809' post='2501828']
Nothing you say relates to anything I say, so forgive me when I am often very confused by your retorts.
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what I said mostly relates to the post ironmonk made, which you have been lauding. ironmonk clearly weaponized Catholic identity for political motivations in this thread.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351745701' post='2501827']
That's not what you said Himey. You said pro-Obama, not voting-for-Obama. You can help a guy get re-elected without voting for him.
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That's like saying that by not donating to every charity that feeds the poor, I am helping poor people starve to death.

[Aloysius]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351746232' post='2501832']
Why are you guys trying to label me with doing things like this? That is unfair, and mean. I have been arguing about effectiveness, pragmatism and methods of creating results. I have not been trying to "drive people away from our Lord" or "place political partisanship on a pedestal". I am hurt by your words and offended you think so lowly of me. You are just internet people so I will get over it, but still. Saying stuff like this really smells of elderberries, for real.
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I am responding to what ironmonk said. If you agree with ironmonk's post, then my post is also directed at you. if you do not agree with it, then it is not directed at you. you propped it and declared "ironmonk to the rescue", so I presumed you were okay with weaponizing Catholic identity the way he did there.

[dUSt]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1351746267' post='2501833']
Yeah, that's not remotely Catholic.

But I don't really believe you're being pragmatic in the proper sense of the word.
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I said pragmatism, not pregnant schism. [mod]MIKolbe- personal attack[/mod]