Nola Seminarian Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 the country elected Obama. that is the fact that we know. Abortion will increase, religious persecutions will become more bold, and we will become a socialist nation. These are facts. These facts happen to smell of elderberries, we dont want babies to die, we dont want to give away our croutons that we like, and we dont want to fear having to walking to church. These things are, i repeat ARE, going to happen. we have only one choice now. We can become holy or not. The only thing that is going to help us now is the Lord and the only way we can accept this help from Him is to become holy.We are not going to convince people that babies are babies pre partum, in partu, and post partum unless we are holy and lead holy, convincing lives. the church is founded on Jesus Christ and He chose to biuld His body up by the blood of the martyrs, we are always called to suffer some sort of martyrdom, meaning we need to constantly die to ourselves and Jesus assumes us up to live with him. What Catholics need to realize now is the fact that we may need to face the fact that we may be called now to go to jail for our beliefs or even to die in the public square for them. This is a scary prospect, but so what? the marytrs died for the faith. The only way we will be able to do these two things is to become holy, the Lord gives us the grace, Holiness is our ability and willingness to accept that grace. The bottom line is that we are too attached to our nice little collection of money and stuff. as Jesus said, sell all youhave then follow after me. the short of it is that we should already be giving our stuff away. we are too atached to our stuff. it is a hard reality, but holiness will help us be able to do this. we can whine and complain, but the only way to change the current position that we are in is to become holy, is to embrace this cross we have been given and follow after Christ Jesus. We are only going to change things by leading convincing lives, and having the holiness to face death with an attitude of joy because we lead our lives pointed to christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 work to catechize the church... the majority of my new students don't know the basic tenets of their Faith... they just attend Mass because we make them go, go through the motions, and then go home and live very secular lives... work to strengthen the family unit, if you read the encyclical Humanae Vitae, the Pope was a prophet. HE knew that birth control would usher in evils that would destroy the family. when the family is destroyed you get what we see today. I'm trying to start adult catechesis in my parish, which is predominantly hispanic (and probably voted for Obama. They don't know their own faith, what makes anyone think they would know anything about obama's agenda?) Ignorance isn't bliss, its dangerous, and we have it running rampant among many members of the church... If you are a Catholic, do everything you can to learn about your Faith more and more and practice it. Most of all love as much as you can. Love can conquer the most hardened hearts. I've never really paid much attention to obama, much less prayed for him. I started last nite, and already I am seeing him as another child of God, not some mad tryant. HE needs conversion for the sake of his soul... Its not impossible if more and more prayed for his conversion... yeah, love is the number one thing we should do, love even when it hurts like hell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpence Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 On a positive note, I expect that the faithful in the US will become stronger and more united once all the half-hearted church-goers disappear (should more serious persecution actually occur). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Archbishop Timothy Costelloe's homily at his Installation Mass is very relevant. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHazW2TBfnk[/media] Full text: [url="http://www.perthcatholic.org.au/news-events/view_article.cfm?loadref=10&id=149"]http://www.perthcath...adref=10&id=149[/url] [quote]“Isn’t it true,†wrote the Pope, that it is “the Church's task to reflect the light of Christ in every historical period, to make his face shine also before the generations of the new millennium?†In these simple words the Pope captured for us the essence of our vocation as Christians, as disciples of Jesus. We are witnesses to him, not as a figure from the past but as a living presence today. We are called and empowered to make his face shine for each other and all the people of our own time and place. Here in the Archdiocese of Perth, as in every part of this country and in every part of the world, this is our task as Christians. Tonight I want to invite us all to re-commit ourselves once more to this urgent but privileged responsibility. The greatest challenge facing the Church today is to return Christ to the Church and to return the Church to Christ. The greatest challenge facing each one of us today is to return Christ to our lives and return our lives to Christ. This is not a challenge to be something other than we are. It is a challenge to be more fully, more deeply and more openly what we already are. The society in which we live has great need of the light of Christ. It is our privilege and our duty to offer this light, this gift, to the world. It is to him that we commit all that we have and all that we are. It is to him that we entrust the journey into the future which tonight we set out on together.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 [quote name='Nola Seminarian' timestamp='1352304131' post='2505759'] we can whine and complain, but the only way to change the current position that we are in is to become holy, is to embrace this cross we have been given and follow after Christ Jesus. We are only going to change things by leading convincing lives, and having the holiness to face death with an attitude of joy because we lead our lives pointed to christ. [/quote]Hows that been working out? Wasn't most of Europe Catholic and attending church regularly for centuries? Society should be pretty [i]moral[/i] in predominately Catholic countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1352317465' post='2505920'] Hows that been working out? Wasn't most of Europe Catholic and attending church regularly for centuries? Society should be pretty [i]moral[/i] in predominately Catholic countries. [/quote] Europe is a secular nation. France may be over 80% Catholic, but only seven (Yes, only seven) percent of Catholics go to Mass every week, or at all. France is a secular nation that is not Catholic. You can't just look at the numbers of people there, you have to look into how many attend Church and how many are actually devout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1352318120' post='2505923'] Europe is a secular nation. France may be over 80% Catholic, but only seven (Yes, only seven) percent of Catholics go to Mass every week, or at all. France is a secular nation that is not Catholic. You can't just look at the numbers of people there, you have to look into how many attend Church and how many are actually devout. [/quote] Exactly my point. What is the result of centuries of Catholic religious domination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1352319361' post='2505931'] Exactly my point. What is the result of centuries of Catholic religious domination? [/quote] This is not the result of centuries of Catholic religious domination. This is the result of a lack of catechesis and a relentless attack against religion by secularists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1352319454' post='2505933'] This is not the result of centuries of Catholic religious domination. This is the result of a lack of catechesis and a relentless attack against religion by secularists. [/quote]Country's entire cultures were centered in Catholicism. From cradle to grave for scores of generations and you think it's fell out of use for lack of catachesis? What's that got to do with being holy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1352320520' post='2505943'] Country's entire cultures were centered in Catholicism. From cradle to grave for scores of generations and you think it's fell out of use for lack of catachesis? What's that got to do with being holy? [/quote] Ask any Catholic in France about the faith. They won't be able to tell you anything about it. That's a lack of catechesis. People don't know their faith so they do not practice it. That is why Europe is such a secular society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1352320585' post='2505946'] Ask any Catholic in France about the faith. They won't be able to tell you anything about it. That's a lack of catechesis. People don't know their faith so they do not practice it. That is why Europe is such a secular society. [/quote]Who's in charge if catechesis? The Catholic Clergy. What's the problem? Lay holiness. Right. Edited November 7, 2012 by Anomaly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1352331524' post='2506177'] Who's in charge if catechesis? The Catholic Clergy. What's the problem? Congregational holiness. Right. [/quote] Oh no, we were totally let down by the clergy and bishops as well. Few people will deny that. Everyone has failed pretty hardcore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1352331524' post='2506177'] Who's in charge if catechesis? The Catholic Clergy. What's the problem? Lay holiness. Right. [/quote] I'm not here to blame anyone. We all made mistakes, lay-person, Priest, Bishop or Cardinal. But the point isn't to blame. Blaming isn't going to solve anything. We all need to get our act together and stop this. All of the pressure in teaching and evangelizing does not lay upon clergy or religious alone, nor does it lie on just lay-people. It lies on all of us and it is the duty of every one of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I don't think abortions will increase. Thank God, abortions are near their all time low (I believe). Among young people there is a sense that while abortion may be legal (many of them believe it should remain legal) but it is still wrong, like adultery or lying. There is greater acceptance of single parents and an understanding that single parenthood does not mean the end of your life. Single parenthood is not a good trend in and of itself but to the extent supporting single parents is linked with falling numbers of abortions, I will take it. There are many things we can do to encourage these trends, which given the current climate will probably get the rate to 0 faster than legal challenges unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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