Weed

[theculturewarrior]

If you think smoking pot made you disabled, that's your business.  But you probably aren't going to convince those of us who don't think smoking legal pot is wrong by just stating what happened to you over and over again.  

 

I am backed by the consensus of scholars.  You might not believe me, but your professor does.

[theculturewarrior]

Don't have to... I'm high on life!  Seriously, I have a real problem.  I can't stop listening to the birds sing.

 

Man I need to hear a bird sing... so bad.  So bad.

[Noel's angel]

I've read through this thread, and the entire way through all I could think was 'Leave TCW alone and stop being so mean'. Many of you won't remember TCW as he has been away for some time, but he deserves a lot better than some of the reactions that he is getting here. It is so easy to sit behind a screen and insult people in a passive-agressive manner, but it certainly is not very Christian.

 

TCW, I haven't seen the posts you mentioned in your initial posting of this thread. You seem to know that you shouldn't continue to smoke weed, but that knowledge hasn't transformed your will.  I'll do all I can, and that is to pray for your well-being.  Take care.

[theculturewarrior]

I've read through this thread, and the entire way through all I could think was 'Leave TCW alone and stop being so mean'. Many of you won't remember TCW as he has been away for some time, but he deserves a lot better than some of the reactions that he is getting here. It is so easy to sit behind a screen and insult people in a passive-agressive manner, but it certainly is not very Christian.

 

TCW, I haven't seen the posts you mentioned in your initial posting of this thread. You seem to know that you shouldn't continue to smoke weed, but that knowledge hasn't transformed your will.  I'll do all I can, and that is to pray for your well-being.  Take care.

 

 

It is nice to see a familiar face.  Thank you Noel.  I decided that I am not going anywhere this time.  I am going to bring diversity to Phatmass.

PS, my eyebrows are turning grey.

[Noel's angel]

Good to know you'll be sticking around.

 

Good eyebrows only get better when they go grey.  You're on the right track.

[Basilisa Marie]

I am backed by the consensus of scholars.  You might not believe me, but your professor does.

 

Nope.  

 

I won't name-drop (people can figure out who they are on their own), but my moral theology professors don't have nearly as much of a problem with legal pot as you do.  I don't mean to be rude, but I trust their opinions more than a random person on the internet. 

 

Look, it's perfectly fine that you vehemently hate pot.  But it's also a perfectly acceptable Catholic position for me to support the moderate legal use of marijuana.  This issue occupies a grey area, and so we're allowed to have different opinions about it.   There are plenty of Catholic sites that will take the same position as you on pot.  But one of the wonderful things about Phatmass is the plurality of valid positions on all sorts of Catholic "grey area" issues, from politics to economics to liturgy to even marijuana.   It's a true forum, where many voices can be heard and arguments made and opinions changed or solidified.   If you want someone to guide you, talk to a priest, or better yet find a spiritual director.   If you want someone to argue with, come to Phatmass.  

 

I'm not saying you should leave.   We all have our issues where we disagree with most others around here. Just add your voice to the conversation without dominating it. 

Edited December 15, 2012 by Basilisa Marie

[theculturewarrior]

I am not talking about theology.  I am talking about hard science and an established correlation between marijuana abuse and mental illness (causality).  And name-drop away.  I was a university librarian for over ten years, and I guarantee you that your professors have not researched this the way I have.

[theculturewarrior]

I'm not saying you should leave.   We all have our issues where we disagree with most others around here. Just add your voice to the conversation without dominating it. 

 

I am not going to leave.  I do try to be sensitive to the fact that people for the most part don't get this.  And I try to limit my rapid-fire responses to my own threads and particularly to issues that are very important to me, such as this.  But I am a sign of contradiction.  This is the reason God created me.

Edited December 15, 2012 by theculturewarrior

[Basilisa Marie]

I am not talking about theology.  I am talking about hard science and an established correlation between marijuana abuse and mental illness (causality).  And name-drop away.  I was a university librarian for over ten years, and I guarantee you that your professors have not researched this the way I have.

 

You're talking about Church teaching on the sinfulness of marijuana.  That's theology.   I don't have an issue with whatever scientific research you want that suggests some kind of correlation.  That's not my area of expertise.   I have an issue when you say that the Church has a definitive stance on the interpretation of relevant Catechism paragraphs.  

[theculturewarrior]

The crux of the issue that I have here is that I am concerned with how my words and actions effect others, especially young people who come to Phatmass, and I have been treated as though this is not respectable or welcome.

[Nihil Obstat]

The crux of the issue that I have here is that I am concerned with how my words and actions effect others, especially young people who come to Phatmass, and I have been treated as though this is not respectable or welcome.

 

Actually, all we said is that you are an adult and should not need us babysitting you. Because you started this thread talking about you, and how we are not looking out for you well enough. I am looking at the post right now- nothing at all about how "[your] words and actions effect [sic] others".

As I said, you will find that we understand the concept of scandal quite well.

[theculturewarrior]

Actually, all we said is that you are an adult and should not need us babysitting you. Because you started this thread talking about you, and how we are not looking out for you well enough. I am looking at the post right now- nothing at all about how "[your] words and actions effect [sic] others".

As I said, you will find that we understand the concept of scandal quite well.

 

I have become unfamiliar with American culture.  It has just been too long.  I have forgotten how straightforward everybody is.  In most of the world there are hidden layers meaning and nobody says things bluntly unless you ask them to or you have been married to them for a few years and her feelings for you have worn thin. I could have just said "Hey, we're all taking weed, me too, like it's something sexi but it's actually a harmful substance.  There are young people here who are reading this, and I don't want them to get hurt."  A lot of young people I know would have found that patronizing.  I am comfortable being the butt of jokes, and to take that kind of treatment if I a young person incidentally reads what I have say and doesn't feel targeted or patronized.  I do like being treated with charity though.

 

So yeah, lesson learned.  No more subtext.  Subtlety is for my friends and family.

[Nihil Obstat]

I have become unfamiliar with American culture.  It has just been too long.  I have forgotten how straightforward everybody is.  In most of the world there are hidden layers meaning and nobody says things bluntly unless you ask them to or you have been married to them for a few years and her feelings for you have worn thin. I could have just said "Hey, we're all taking weed, me too, like it's something sexi but it's actually a harmful substance.  There are young people here who are reading this, and I don't want them to get hurt."  A lot of young people I know would have found that patronizing.  I am comfortable being the butt of jokes, and to take that kind of treatment if I a young person incidentally reads what I have say and doesn't feel targeted or patronized.  I do like being treated with charity though.

 

So yeah, lesson learned.  No more subtext.  Subtlety is for my friends and family.

 

This would have been so much easier if you had simply read our last debate on marijuana. It is barely bumped off the front page of the Debate board, for goodness' sake.

[theculturewarrior]

No matter how badly I've been treated, I still have to wrong about something, don't I?

[Nihil Obstat]

No matter how badly I've been treated, I still have to wrong about something, don't I?

 

You are persistent. I will give you that.

[theculturewarrior]

It's one of those rare situations in life where I am in the right.  I will not back down from this.  You can let this thread die anytime you want.  You seem persistent yourself, and I expect a reply.

Edited December 15, 2012 by theculturewarrior

[Guest]

Why don't you attack alcohol...its just as bad if not worse...no its worse for sure...but anyhow...

[theculturewarrior]

Because I haven't brought it up, I haven't contributed to glamorizing it.  I haven't contributed to bringing any kind of scandal into the world as far as that is concerned.  I started this thread to undo the damage I have done, and I think I have made restitution.

[Guest]

Gotcha Godbless...

[Nihil Obstat]

It's one of those rare situations in life where I am in the right.  I will not back down from this.  You can let this thread die anytime you want.  You seem persistent yourself, and I expect a reply.

 

As I said, we just had this debate. Like two weeks ago. I am not planning on having it again.

Here is a link, because while I am lazy, I am not quite that lazy.