The Poor

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IDGI. 

Some people are poor because they are incapable, either because of outiside circumstances or inability, to earn a living.  Some people are poor because of lack of effort or unwillingness to use their ability.

 

Some people are rich because they have taken advantage of others or the 'system'.  Some people are rich because of effort, ability, and/or luck.

 

We'll all bleed if we are labeled with an unfair negative stereotype.

IDGI 

Some people are incapable, appreciating how statistically wealthy there really  are by comparing themselves to the top 1% of American economy rather than comparing themselves to  the world economy. 

 

The Occupy Wall Street protesters may claim to represent the grievances of the 99%, but we should remember that when it comes to the global income distribution, we poor living in America are the 1%

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[Anomaly]

IDGI 

Some people are incapable, appreciating how statistically wealthy there really  are by comparing themselves to the top 1% of American economy rather than comparing themselves to  the world economy. 

 

The Occupy Wall Street protesters may claim to represent the grievances of the 99%, but we should remember that when it comes to the global income distribution, we poor living in America are the 1%

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Are you suggesting that the US Government should stop borrowing the future earings of it's citizens via money from China to provide the luxury of free cell phones, 10 yrs of retirement, and cheap MRI's and liver transplants to Americans?

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IDGI 

Some people are incapable, appreciating how statistically wealthy there really  are by comparing themselves to the top 1% of American economy rather than comparing themselves to  the world economy. 

 

The Occupy Wall Street protesters may claim to represent the grievances of the 99%, but we should remember that when it comes to the global income distribution, we poor living in America are the 1%

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I've seen poverty in Eastern NC that I never saw in Bosnia.  BOSNIA.  A developing country that recently went through a horrific civil war.  Somebody making $10,000 in America is technically wealthier that somebody making a reasonable living in Bosnia but their capacity to buy and provide for their family is seriously less.  That's not to say that Bosnia is a utopia.  It's not.  It's poor and corrupt.  But I've never seen a family of 6 in a single room shack huddled around a space heater.  Which I have seen in NC.  

 

But believe whatever you want.  

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I've seen poverty in Eastern NC that I never saw in Bosnia.  BOSNIA.  A developing country that recently went through a horrific civil war.  Somebody making $10,000 in America is technically wealthier that somebody making a reasonable living in Bosnia but their capacity to buy and provide for their family is seriously less.  That's not to say that Bosnia is a utopia.  It's not.  It's poor and corrupt.  But I've never seen a family of 6 in a single room shack huddled around a space heater.  Which I have seen in NC.  

 

But believe whatever you want.  

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/04/20-years-since-the-bosnian-war/100278/

 

If your statement is true, may i ask you; why have so many Bosnians immigrated to the United States?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ-bhM-xuec

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http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/04/20-years-since-the-bosnian-war/100278/

 

If your statement is true, may i ask you; why have so many Bosnians immigrated to the United States?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ-bhM-xuec

 

Maybe you missed the part when I referred to Bosnia as poor and corrupt?  

 

Why would Bosnians immigrate to the US?  Um, because Bosnia is poor, corrupt, politically inert, and a lot of Bosnians expect the fighting to come again someday.  

 

You're attacking a position which I didn't take.  The average American is much better off than the average Bosnian.  I don't dispute this.  But a lot of people, and you seem to be among them, think that the poor in America are living lives of luxury compared to most of the rest of the world.  And this just isn't true.  As I said before, I never saw the sort of abject poverty in Bosnia, and I was in the villages and unwealthy parts of Bosnia, that I have seen in Eastern North Carolina.  

[Anomaly]

The US is rated #9 in the Top Ten Countries for standard of living, adjusted for inequality.

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html

[Nihil Obstat]

:shock: What is that I see in the #8 place? :|

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The US is rated #9 in the Top Ten Countries for standard of living, adjusted for inequality.

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html

 

So?  I really don't understand what you are trying to argue, here.  America is, for most people, a much, much, much better place (materially, anyway) to live than Bosnia.  But there is poverty in this country that I have personally witnessed which exceeds anything that I saw in Bosnia.  If you'd like to come to Eastern NC and come to Bosnia I'd be happy to show you what I'm talking about.  You can bring the graph along.  

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So? I really don't understand what you are trying to argue, here. America is, for most people, a much, much, much better place (materially, anyway) to live than Bosnia. But there is poverty in this country that I have personally witnessed which exceeds anything that I saw in Bosnia. If you'd like to come to Eastern NC and come to Bosnia I'd be happy to show you what I'm talking about. You can bring the graph along.

Isn't North Carolina where that "Jed Clampit" is from?


Come and listen to a story about a man named Jed
A poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed,
Then one day he was shootin at some food,
And up through the ground came a bubblin crude.

Oil that is, black gold, Texas tea.

Well the first thing you know ol Jed's a millionaire,
Kinfolk said "Jed move away from there"
Said "Californy is the place you ought to be"
So they loaded up the truck and moved to Beverly.

Hills, that is. Swimmin pools, movie stars.


Well now its time to say good by to Jed and all his kin.
And they would like to thank you folks fer kindly droppin in.
You're all invited back a gain to this locality
To have a heapin helpin of their hospitality

Hillybilly that is. Set a spell, Take your shoes off.

Y'all come back now, y'hear?.

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So?  I really don't understand what you are trying to argue, here.  America is, for most people, a much, much, much better place (materially, anyway) to live than Bosnia.  But there is poverty in this country that I have personally witnessed which exceeds anything that I saw in Bosnia.  If you'd like to come to Eastern NC and come to Bosnia I'd be happy to show you what I'm talking about.  You can bring the graph along.  

 

How broad of a generalization are you making based solely on your personal experience?  My dad was heavily involved in St. V. DePaul for 40 years here in rural Florida.  I've been on many home visits with him and have had numerous discussions with him.  Yes there is abject poverty in the US.  Using reason and common sense, without in-depth first hand experience, I would highly suspect that abject poverty does indeed exist in Bosina, as well as in practically every human society.  Whether you or I have personally witnessed the presence of abject poverty in all these societies is a different matter.

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How broad of a generalization are you making based solely on your personal experience?  My dad was heavily involved in St. V. DePaul for 40 years here in rural Florida.  I've been on many home visits with him and have had numerous discussions with him.  Yes there is abject poverty in the US.  Using reason and common sense, without in-depth first hand experience, I would highly suspect that abject poverty does indeed exist in Bosina, as well as in practically every human society.  Whether you or I have personally witnessed the presence of abject poverty in all these societies is a different matter.

 

That's right.

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Are you suggesting that the US Government should stop borrowing the future earings of it's citizens via money from China to provide the luxury of free cell phones, 10 yrs of retirement, and cheap MRI's and liver transplants to Americans?

 

no, not at all. 

never look a gift horse in the mouth

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Maybe you missed the part when I referred to Bosnia as poor and corrupt?

Them Bosnians left there native land for a better life. Edited January 14, 2013 by add

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I've seen poverty in Eastern NC that I never saw in Bosnia. I've never seen a family of 6 in a single room shack huddled around a space heater. Which I have seen.

One question, that family where they happy, did the children respect there parents. Did they know that they where poor.
Did they pray together and care about each other, where they happy?

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I've seen poverty in Eastern NC that I never saw in Bosnia
One question, that family where they happy, did the children respect there parents. Did they know that they where poor.
Did they pray together and care about each other, where they poor in spirit?. But I've never seen a family of 6 in a single room shack huddled around a space heater. Which I have seen in NC.

One question, that family where they happy, did the children respect there parents. Did they know that they where poor.
Did they pray together and care about each other, where they poor in spirit?

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Look, I almost never do this, but right now it absolutely must be done.

 

There indicates a place. Their indicates possession.

Where questions what place. Were is the past tense of be.

 

Effective communication is a lot harder when that distinction is not respected. :sad2:

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One question, that NC family Were they happy, did the children respect Their parents. Did they know that they Were poor.
Did they pray together and care about each other, Were they poor in spirit?

that better Edited January 14, 2013 by add

[Era Might]

IDGI 

Some people are incapable, appreciating how statistically wealthy there really  are by comparing themselves to the top 1% of American economy rather than comparing themselves to  the world economy. 

 

The Occupy Wall Street protesters may claim to represent the grievances of the 99%, but we should remember that when it comes to the global income distribution, we poor living in America are the 1%

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In some ways, American poverty is more difficult because it is modernized poverty. The poor in an urban ghetto, for example, cannot grow their own food and construct their own houses. Their poverty is alienation from the system (educational system, political system, employment system, and in the case of prison, the social system). Rising out of poverty is not merely getting a plot of land and building a subsistence, but becoming integrated into the complex system.

 

In other societies that are not as integrated into the modern systems, there are still subsistence resources. But that's not entirely true, because the modern systems have their tentacles spread across the globe, so even in so-called "third world" countries modernized poverty adds to the problem, because not only do the poor not have modern infrastructure, but they are increasingly required to abide by the standards of modern systems. Lack of access to the school system, for example, shuts people out from any possibility of advancement. Lack of access to the wage economy keeps people from subsisting. And all this is driven by the dream to "develop" the whole world until it has "modern" (i.e., largely Western systems), though that's certainly a questionable goal.

Edited January 15, 2013 by Era Might

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poor people are gross. Let's not talk about them. Pretending they don't even exist is my preferred option.

[HisChildForever]

The US is rated #9 in the Top Ten Countries for standard of living, adjusted for inequality.

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html

 

According to this site, America's capital is Jerusalem and we use the shekel as the currency.

 

...lolwut.