Historical Scenario: Internment During Wwii

[CatherineM]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Nihil Obstat" data-cid="2532500" data-time="1358122968"><p>
I was actually expecting there to be at least a few people voting that all resistance would be immoral. Was looking forward to a good discussion on that one.<br />
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Catherine and Debra, why do you think that using force to resist would be immoral?</p></blockquote>

I'm not sure the word immoral is really what I was thinking about. I'm a survivor and a realist.

[Nihil Obstat]

Ok, but I am getting at the morality of resistance here. Prudence aside, I am interested in what people think on the morality of resistance, with or without varying degrees of force.

[eagle_eye222001]

:think:

 

Really hard to say.  For some, I think use of force is justified.

 

For others, I could see it not being.

 

Vivo Cristo Rey!

 

[4588686]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYbfMIsuYZE

[Nihil Obstat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYbfMIsuYZE

 

[Winchester]

THere was nonviolent resistance in the form of legal battles.  Korematsu v. U.S. comes to mind in 1944.  The Supreme Court held that Fred Korematsu's liberty was secondary to the threat of espionage. Justice Murphy dissented, saying it was outright racism.  Justice Jackson, who would be one of the judges at the Nuremburg Tribunals,  agreed also that the executive order was racist, but said that it was outside the scope of the Supreme Court's power to rule on military matters.

 

Justice Jackson said, in his dissent:

 

I say heartily: Screw the Supreme Court and screw the asinine belief that an arm of the Federal Government is supposed to be the final arbiter.

 

Cue cartoon history defenses.

[CatherineM]

Nihil maybe you should ask George Takai. He's on Facebook and was interred during the war. Message him.

[Winchester]

I'm curious how it wouldn't be moral to resist kidnapping and assault.

 

[sixpence]

I think it would be fine to resist, personally I would not use force, but I couldn't blame anyone if they did

[PhuturePriest]

This entire situation reminds me of something that happened in my town. The night of the tornado, cops were going house to house saying "Marshall Law. You have to get out and go to the buses at the Dillons store." They went to our friend's house and said this, and he pulled out his shotgun, pumped it, and said "Marshall Law: Get the hell out of my house."

 

This really has no point, I just wanted to share because that guy is awesome.

[Nihil Obstat]

Nihil maybe you should ask George Takai. He's on Facebook and was interred during the war. Message him.

 
 
Good idea.
 
The karate sensei I train with about once a year was also in an internment camp around that time, down in BC.
 

This entire situation reminds me of something that happened in my town. The night of the tornado, cops were going house to house saying "Marshall Law. You have to get out and go to the buses at the Dillons store." They went to our friend's house and said this, and he pulled out his shotgun, pumped it, and said "Marshall Law: Get the hell out of my house."
 
This really has no point, I just wanted to share because that guy is awesome.

But who was Marshall, and why did he get to make up the law? :|

[PhuturePriest]

 
 
Good idea.
 
The karate sensei I train with about once a year was also in an internment camp around that time, down in BC.

 

So why don't you ask the karate sensei about his experiences of being abused by the government?

[Nihil Obstat]

So why don't you ask the karate sensei about his experiences of being abused by the government?

 

Because he currently lives in Ontario, and I only see him for one weekend out of the year, at which time he's very busy. :P

[PhuturePriest]

Because he currently lives in Ontario, and I only see him for one weekend out of the year, at which time he's very busy. :P

 

You have a sled and some huskies to pull you to Ontario, yes?

[Nihil Obstat]

No, not really.

[4588686]

No, not really.

 

Canada's pretty big when you think about it you know?

[Nihil Obstat]

Canada's pretty big when you think about it you know?

 

It is also really full of absolutely nothing.

 

Seriously, tell me one thing about either Saskatchewan or Manitoba besides the names of their capital cities. You cannot, because there just is not anything to say. :|

[PhuturePriest]

It is also really full of absolutely nothing.

 

Seriously, tell me one thing about either Saskatchewan or Manitoba besides the names of their capital cities. You cannot, because there just is not anything to say. :|

 

Uh, seriously? Ice hockey and snow with syrup on it!

 

Also, I have no clue what the capital cities are. I thought Saskatchewan and Manitoba were cities, not provinces.

Edited January 15, 2013 by FuturePriest387

[Nihil Obstat]

Uh, seriously? Ice hockey and snow with syrup on it!

 

Also, I have no clue what the capital cities are. I thought Saskatchewan and Manitoba were cities, not provinces.

 

And there is our problem.

[Winchester]

I think it would be fine to resist, personally I would not use force, but I couldn't blame anyone if they did

 

I think not harming thugs if they attack you is perfectly moral. Sometimes, it even leads to their conversion, which is superior to just killing them.

 

 

But let me put this in no uncertain terms: If the Japanese who were kidnapped by the American government had used deadly force every on last one of the people kidnapping them, it would have been lawful self defense. Had a few of the thugs been put down, I'm certain our wonderful, compassionate fonts of social justice and protection from aggressors would have sent in more heavily armed thugs, and simply cut down the Japanese, with the arms they rightfully purchase with money obtained under threat of violence.

 

“Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche

Edited January 15, 2013 by Winchester