r2Dtoo Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 So you do not actually object to being mugged? If might makes right, then violent criminals have morally free reign. The only way a right can be "natural" is if it's authority can be observed in the natural world throughout history. Morals are another matter entirely.
Nihil Obstat Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 The only way a right can be "natural" is if it's authority can be observed in the natural world throughout history. Morals are another matter entirely. That is not really how natural right is usually defined.
r2Dtoo Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 That is not really how natural right is usually defined. Your definition is in reality just another word for dogma which by no definition is natural. Which one makes more sense really?
Nihil Obstat Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Your definition is in reality just another word for dogma which by no definition is natural. Which one makes more sense really? You are changing the subject. Natural rights is taken by philosophers and moralists to mean something rather specific, which you are simply ignoring. You do not get to re-define things with established meanings simply on a whim or because it fits your idiosyncratic beliefs. If you wish to argue for whatever else then fine, have fun, but do not confuse everyone by using words that are, for our purposes, already differently defined.
Anomaly Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 You are changing the subject. Natural rights is taken by philosophers and moralists to mean something rather specific, which you are simply ignoring. You do not get to re-define things with established meanings simply on a whim or because it fits your idiosyncratic beliefs. If you wish to argue for whatever else then fine, have fun, but do not confuse everyone by using words that are, for our purposes, already differently defined. WAT? Then what is the debate table for?
Nihil Obstat Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 WAT? Then what is the debate table for? Ponies and flaming. Not arbitrarily and unilaterally re-defining established philosophical terms. Sometimes also we calmly and rationally discuss controversial issues. But thankfully it rarely lasts.
cartermia Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Stupidity is a natural right, but one mustn't misuse it. "Stupidity is also a gift from God, but one mustn't misuse is." -Pope John Paul II
Papist Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 "Stupidity is also a gift from God, but one mustn't misuse is." -Pope John Paul II Where you think he got that?
Nihil Obstat Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 Trotsky is well known for making frequent use of that particular gift. :proud:
4588686 Posted February 2, 2013 Author Posted February 2, 2013 Trotsky is well known for making frequent use of that particular gift. :proud: He said it to this man: http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/dwight-macdonald-the-root-is-man
Nihil Obstat Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 He said it to this man: http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/dwight-macdonald-the-root-is-man
4588686 Posted February 2, 2013 Author Posted February 2, 2013 It's a very well argued, and well respected, criticism or Marxism. A lot of people do got time for that.
r2Dtoo Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 It's a very well argued, and well respected, criticism or Marxism. A lot of people do got time for the Cliff Notes of that.
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